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re: Without Trump, what is the GOP?
Posted on 7/18/17 at 11:34 am to Damone
Posted on 7/18/17 at 11:34 am to Damone
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Without Trump, what is the GOP?
For the entirety of the Obama years, the GOP was anti-Obama, and made gains in the House and Senate mostly on people being tired of Obama and the Democrats lack of meaningful progress. So now that they have the Presidency and both houses, what is their direction? What is their goal? It seems like without Trump's platform, they have nothing. Pretty telling since every Principled Conservative was saying before the election that Trump would destroy the party. It is beginning to look more and more like the party wants to destroy itself around Trump.
This would be more intellectually honest if you could say what Trump is for.
His policy positions seem more amorphous than Bill Clinton's. Other than a travel ban and a yet to be built wall, what do you think his policies are?
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Posted on 7/18/17 at 11:34 am to the808bass
yeah, sorry
maybe Rickety will expound
maybe Rickety will expound
Posted on 7/18/17 at 11:38 am to Salmon
The GOP existed pre-Trump and will, soon, post-Trump. And the GOP will be whatever its owners say; the Koch Brothers, Sheldon Adelson, and the billionaire oligarchs who own the GOP.
Posted on 7/18/17 at 11:52 am to Salmon
I have no idea what Trump's actual position is on healthcare reform other than to dismantle the current Obamacare system that all signs point to being an abject failure for everyone but health insurers. I assume, since he cannot write legislation, that he would leave it up to the GOP congressional leaders to put a decent bill on his desk for him to sign. That segways into my whole point: the GOP has shown no willingness for meaningful healthcare reform, the "drafts" that have come out are, again, nothing more than boons to the health insurance industry.
Yes, the healthcare debate spurred the idea, but transfer it to other areas and it mostly holds true. What is the GOP position on border security? Immigration? Foreign policy (i.e. Syria, Iran, North Korea)? Trade? I would consider myself more informed than the average American and lean more toward the GOP in some instances, and I can't tell you a damn thing other than Trump's positions that they parrot.
Basically, GOP congress members:
Yes, the healthcare debate spurred the idea, but transfer it to other areas and it mostly holds true. What is the GOP position on border security? Immigration? Foreign policy (i.e. Syria, Iran, North Korea)? Trade? I would consider myself more informed than the average American and lean more toward the GOP in some instances, and I can't tell you a damn thing other than Trump's positions that they parrot.
Basically, GOP congress members:
Posted on 7/18/17 at 11:56 am to Damone
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I assume, since he cannot write legislation, that he would leave it up to the GOP congressional l
This is a copout. Trump could come up with a plan (at least his team could) and he could present it to Congress. It's how the office of the President is supposed to act. Presidents have shied from this because you actually have to commit to governing and ideas and shite. But it would be the way to go.
Trumpcare should have a definite shape to it. He's not serious about governing though (perhaps less so than Obama was).
Posted on 7/18/17 at 11:58 am to Damone
The GOP is a collection of 4 (formerly 3) warring factions always jockeying for control:
Fiscal/small government conservatives
Business first-ers
Protectionist Nationalists
Evangelicals
Trump gave a voice to the Nationalists, resulting in a massive reduction in influence of the evangelicals, small government conservatives, and Business first-ers. However, the Business First-ers still make up the majority of party leadership, especially in the Senate. There is not enough of any one kind of conservative to get legislation that only appeals to one branch passed, as the DNC will nearly always vote in lockstep against. Occassionally, some democrats will cross the aisle to vote with the business first crowd.
If Trump had not run, the GOP would be fighting the same battles, but they would be at least united in some ways against the Clinton regime (with occasional defection by business-first crowd when it suits them). The fiscal conservatives would likely have a larger voice within the party, but business-first would still run the show.
Fiscal/small government conservatives
Business first-ers
Protectionist Nationalists
Evangelicals
Trump gave a voice to the Nationalists, resulting in a massive reduction in influence of the evangelicals, small government conservatives, and Business first-ers. However, the Business First-ers still make up the majority of party leadership, especially in the Senate. There is not enough of any one kind of conservative to get legislation that only appeals to one branch passed, as the DNC will nearly always vote in lockstep against. Occassionally, some democrats will cross the aisle to vote with the business first crowd.
If Trump had not run, the GOP would be fighting the same battles, but they would be at least united in some ways against the Clinton regime (with occasional defection by business-first crowd when it suits them). The fiscal conservatives would likely have a larger voice within the party, but business-first would still run the show.
Posted on 7/18/17 at 12:33 pm to kingbob
That's not a bad analysis
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