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re: Will The Gay Marriage Issue Result In Churches...
Posted on 1/20/14 at 4:41 pm to Toddy
Posted on 1/20/14 at 4:41 pm to Toddy
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Serious question, has an all white church ever lost its tax exempt status from refusing to host an interracial or black couple's wedding? I seem to remember a Southern Baptist Church in Mississippi refusing to marry a black couple a few years ago.
Regardless of whether you repeat a dumb analogy hundred of times, it still remains a dumb analogy.
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Posted on 1/20/14 at 4:42 pm to Toddy
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Toddy
Posted on 1/20/14 at 4:44 pm to udtiger
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Regardless of whether you repeat a dumb analogy hundred of times, it still remains a dumb analogy.
So I take it you don't know the answer to this question ? Because I highly doubt a church can be forced to perform an interracial wedding.
Posted on 1/20/14 at 4:48 pm to Toddy
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Serious question, has an all white church ever lost its tax exempt status from refusing to host an interracial or black couple's wedding? I seem to remember a Southern Baptist Church in Mississippi refusing to marry a black couple a few years ago.
No, and that's the most definitive proof that this is yet another round in the epic struggle between cultural conservatives and people who know what the frick they're talking about.
Posted on 1/20/14 at 5:00 pm to Toddy
quote:Three points.
Serious question, has an all white church ever lost its tax exempt status from refusing to host an interracial or black couple's wedding?
First off, when did the government previously ever ram through something as pervasive or invasive as imposition of Obamacare, IRS targeting, or spying on Americans and on the press? Those and similar issues are the kind of thing that catalyze paranoia.
Second, the government basically declared war on Catholic predisposition against birthcontrol and abortion. Pretty close to the feared direct assault on religion that many leftists claim would never occur. It is what it is.
Third, it is very unlikely that the government would move quickly to strip tax exempt status for both political and legal reasons. Much more likely would be the government turning a blind eye toward extremely aggressive antichurch protests, attacks, etc.
Posted on 1/20/14 at 5:46 pm to Toddy
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Serious question, has an all white church ever lost its tax exempt status from refusing to host an interracial or black couple's wedding?
So now GAY is a newly discovered race? Science is still saying it's a mistake due to what the mother does. Please show me the study that says a person is black due to a mistake in the body?
This post was edited on 1/20/14 at 5:49 pm
Posted on 1/20/14 at 5:48 pm to DeltaDoc
If the gov't attempts to tax a religious based organization/church, that is an unacceptable violation of the separation of church and state. Period.
If the church sheds tax exempt status, they basically have carte blanche to influence politics and have an even bigger influence on domestic policy thn they do now. frick that. I'm fine with the status quo.
Anyone seriously advocating for taxation of churches is shortsighted and speaking out of hatred for religion.
If the church sheds tax exempt status, they basically have carte blanche to influence politics and have an even bigger influence on domestic policy thn they do now. frick that. I'm fine with the status quo.
Anyone seriously advocating for taxation of churches is shortsighted and speaking out of hatred for religion.
This post was edited on 1/20/14 at 6:25 pm
Posted on 1/20/14 at 6:06 pm to Sentrius
Bullying churches into submission is one of the ultimate goals of this whole sham.
Churches take away dome of the devotion to govt, which is bad in a lib's eyes. Homosexuals are just a handy rhetorical tool like black people have been.
Churches take away dome of the devotion to govt, which is bad in a lib's eyes. Homosexuals are just a handy rhetorical tool like black people have been.
Posted on 1/20/14 at 6:22 pm to DeltaDoc
In other "democracies" the homosexual population have used the courts and civil law(actually criminal law with jail time) to silence those voices that have dared to speak out at them for what their beliefs say is a sin, Canada is one such example. But have no fear they are not trying to totally influence free speech or any other freedom you can imagine.
Posted on 1/20/14 at 6:25 pm to asurob1
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Why do you need these beautiful built and designed structures to worship god?
I have seen even the smallest churches just stocked full of decorations I can't think about affording.
Does god get upset if you gather your flock in a park under a tree?
Seems like a lot of church money could be better spent on the flock as opposed to all the trappings for the various religions. And be sure, all religions are guilty of this. They need to be taxed. There is nothing non-profit about any church in this country.
So any non profit that has a building is actually a for profit? stupid. Many of what you call decorations were either donated by a specific member, or were paid over time after being purchased as part of the building loan. Admittedly the church has no business spending money in some the ways it does. however in this day and age to bring people through the doors you have to appeal to them. Through technology, modern buildings, etc. Its sad but we are a shallow people, especially the millenials.
The average fulltime pastor gets paid less than $40,000/yr. Fulltime Youth pastor? $24,000. Fulltime Music Pastor? $20,000. The average church has roughly 75 members. With 75 they run food banks, some do housing projects, etc. If you were to tax their income not only would it prevent work from being done in the community, it would literally kill 95% of churches in America.
I get it, you hate the church. However the church deseves its non profit status. only about 5% "make a profit". Which in general is turned around to be pumped back into the community outside of the .01% of churches which are trying to make a profit. Which I do not deny exist. The church is not immune to evil doers(obviously).
Basically, you are making a misguided assumption from a semi educated outide observation.
This post was edited on 1/20/14 at 6:26 pm
Posted on 1/20/14 at 6:25 pm to DeltaDoc
Not as long as we have freedom of religion.
Posted on 1/20/14 at 6:30 pm to goldennugget
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If you tax a church that means less money for its philanthropy and charity which is a major part of the budget
Assurob1 would rather a church be taxed for that money and use it to pay for the salaries and benefits of State and Federal bureaucrats.
Posted on 1/20/14 at 6:32 pm to DawgfaninCa
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Assurob1 would rather a church be SILENCED
Posted on 1/20/14 at 6:33 pm to TrueTiger
Posted on 1/20/14 at 6:42 pm to Bestbank Tiger
It's not about their own churches. It is about having their way and shutting up any one that disagrees with them.
Posted on 1/20/14 at 8:01 pm to CITWTT
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In other "democracies" the homosexual population have used the courts and civil law(actually criminal law with jail time) to silence those voices that have dared to speak out at them for what their beliefs say is a sin, Canada is one such example. But have no fear they are not trying to totally influence free speech or any other freedom you can imagine.
Those other nations have vastly different constitutional systems and a different historical tradition of rights than the United States does. Many of them have also outlawed racial hate speech, and that's nowhere remotely close to being enacted in the United States.
Taking away the tax exempt status of churches based on who they will and will not marry would currently be illegal, has no precedent, is not supported by anyone with political power, and would be massively unpopular. Also, in Loving v. Virginia, the nearest comparable case we have because it dealt with the state's right to limit who can marry, nothing of the sort happened.
But aside from that, yep, it's totally possible.
Posted on 1/20/14 at 8:10 pm to DeltaDoc
If the state wants to recognize them fine but if they force or by tax coerce religion into changing doctrine then they are infringing on religion and unconstitutional in doing so.
Posted on 1/20/14 at 8:16 pm to Revelator
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Yes as Laodicean!
The one that God spewed (actually better translated as vomited) out of His mouth.
And according to one interpretation, the church of the age before the end times (in other words, the one we are in). That's why I no longer attend any services or give any money to it.
Posted on 1/20/14 at 8:17 pm to VaBamaMan
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The average fulltime pastor gets paid less than $40,000/yr. Fulltime Youth pastor? $24,000. Fulltime Music Pastor? $20,000. The average church has roughly 75 members. With 75 they run food banks, some do housing projects, etc. If you were to tax their income not only would it prevent work from being done in the community, it would literally kill 95% of churches in America.
He's laughing at you all the way to the bank.
Posted on 1/20/14 at 8:17 pm to Quidam65
quote:You really think these are the end times?
the church of the age before the end times (in other words, the one we are in).
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