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re: Why was the Jordan border drone attack successful?
Posted on 2/3/24 at 3:22 pm to momentoftruth87
Posted on 2/3/24 at 3:22 pm to momentoftruth87
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It was a small outpost. The real question is why are our troops in an outpost in Jordan.
We have troops all over the world. The question is why?
Posted on 2/3/24 at 3:23 pm to Sofaking2
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The question is why?
For 99% of it, it’s because it’s in our interest and the host nation wants us there.
Why are we in Iraq, Syria, etc.? I have no idea.
This post was edited on 2/3/24 at 3:24 pm
Posted on 2/3/24 at 3:26 pm to Indefatigable
I knew we still had Al Assad in Iraq. The other locations and Jordan I didn’t know. We’ve been in and out of Turkey for awhile and heard we’ve been in Syria which never made sense to me. New stuff along the straight and where the Iranians are I get that. Need to stop fighting proxies and actually punish those responsible.
Posted on 2/3/24 at 3:29 pm to momentoftruth87
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It was a small outpost. The real question is why are our troops in an outpost in Jordan.
There are a number of small outposts over there. I guess our military and government thinks these outposts are in the interest of national security.
I suspect you don't have a clue about that. It's over your pay grade so to speak.
You can find explanations as to why these outposts are there. It's not hard to find. Do some research. Four letters as a clue: ISIS.
Posted on 2/3/24 at 3:31 pm to Indefatigable
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Why are we in Iraq, Syria, etc.? I have no idea.
Trumps explination
Your guy literally told you why. If you don't know now that the west has a military presence in the middle east to secure petroleum resources for multinational corporations I don't know what to tell you.
Posted on 2/3/24 at 3:32 pm to RonLaFlamme
We may never know the exact dollar amount of U.S. weapons systems dumped into Afghanistan and Ukraine with little-to-no oversight that ended up as black market goods. It certainly is no coincidence that both countries now serve as a hub for the illicit international arms trade.
This post was edited on 2/3/24 at 4:06 pm
Posted on 2/3/24 at 3:43 pm to aTmTexas Dillo
The info is out there Open Source, you just need to do a little work to find it.
As for how the drone got past base defenses? SecDef covered this in his press conference last week. They had one of their drones inbound for landing so anti drone defenses were down.
What he didn't mention is that an additional 33 personnel were injured. That the target was a barracks. That the barracks were targeted at night when they were occupied. The barracks location coupled with the knowledge of the incoming drones flight path and timing indicates a significant level of intel and operational knowledge. This wasn't a Houthi style shoot 500 times and you will eventually hit something.
I don't think ISIS has this level of operational sophistication. I would guess this was a direct strike by IRGC and not a proxy force. Not sure if the administration has come out and said that yet or not. They are still pissed about us droning their shite hear commander a couple of years ago.
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The base, known as Tower 22, sits near the demilitarized zone on the border between Jordan and Syria along a sandy, bulldozed berm marking the DMZ’s southern edge. The Iraqi border is only six miles away. Tower 22 began as a Jordanian outpost watching the border, then saw an increased U.S. presence there after American forces entered Syria in late 2015. The small installation includes U.S. engineering, aviation, logistics and security troops with about 350 U.S. Army and Air Force personnel deployed there. The base’s location offers a site for American forces to infiltrate and quietly leave Syria. A small American garrison at al-Tanf in Syria is just 12 miles north of Tower 22. That base is along a Syrian highway leading into Iraq and ultimately Mosul, once a prominent base of the Islamic State group. It’s also a potential weapons shipment route over the road for Iran.
As for how the drone got past base defenses? SecDef covered this in his press conference last week. They had one of their drones inbound for landing so anti drone defenses were down.
What he didn't mention is that an additional 33 personnel were injured. That the target was a barracks. That the barracks were targeted at night when they were occupied. The barracks location coupled with the knowledge of the incoming drones flight path and timing indicates a significant level of intel and operational knowledge. This wasn't a Houthi style shoot 500 times and you will eventually hit something.
I don't think ISIS has this level of operational sophistication. I would guess this was a direct strike by IRGC and not a proxy force. Not sure if the administration has come out and said that yet or not. They are still pissed about us droning their shite hear commander a couple of years ago.
Posted on 2/3/24 at 3:44 pm to aTmTexas Dillo
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You can find explanations as to why these outposts are there. It's not hard to find. Do some research. Four letters as a clue: ISIS.
Everyone knows what State and Defense say we are there to do.
I find it hilarious that we stay there over the host nations objections (Iraq and Syria) to “fight” an entity that we have the largest share of the blame for creating.
Our Middle East policy is fricking terrible. Has been for 40 years if not more.
Posted on 2/3/24 at 3:44 pm to RonLaFlamme
“They” wanted it to be successful, so it was. It served its purpose.
Posted on 2/3/24 at 3:50 pm to teke184
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Like they will ever admit how much they left behind over there, either in equipment or in civilian who got abandoned.
Even before the disastrous billion dollar abandonment of weapon systems in Afghanistan — including drones — a 2017 Pentagon audit found that the Afghan Army was unable to provide a real-time location of $174 million in surveillance drones bequeathed to the country.
Staggering Costs – U.S. Military Equipment Left Behind In Afghanistan….
….In 2017, the U.S. military lost $174 million in drones that were part of the attempt to help the Afghan National Army (ANA) defend itself. But the ANA didn’t immediately use the drones and then lost track of them.
Posted on 2/3/24 at 3:57 pm to Toomer Deplorable
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Even before the disastrous billion dollar abandonment of weapon systems in Afghanistan — including drones — a 2017 Pentagon audit found that the Afghan Army was unable to provide a real-time location of $174 million in surveillance drones bequeathed to the country.
It’s simply amazing that we had leaders—ostensibly qualified officers and career diplos—who thought it would ever end any other way.
Posted on 2/3/24 at 4:17 pm to RonLaFlamme
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this is malfeasance of the highest order and should blow back on Sec Def and Biden.
Wishful thinking.
It's totally (D)ifferent for them, you know.
But...
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shouldn't the transponder IDs of equipment left behind been reclassed as non-friendly?
Yeah, 100%. And nothing as valuable and dangerous as a fricking MilSpec drone should've ever been left behind for the goat raping Tallys anyway. Should've wrapped that shite in det-cord and futilized it, if absolutely forced to abandon it.
Posted on 2/3/24 at 6:18 pm to RonLaFlamme
quote:IFF Mode IV codes are switched out after a very short period of time. There is ZERO chance a left behind drone is transmitting the correct responses to an interrogation.
I'm not a military guy, but shouldn't the transponder IDs of equipment left behind been reclassed as non-friendly?
ETA - I’m not sure which systems drones use, if any, to respond to interrogations. But the codes required are changed very frequently. It’s more likely defenses were down.
This post was edited on 2/3/24 at 6:22 pm
Posted on 2/3/24 at 6:31 pm to momentoftruth87
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Need to stop fighting proxies and actually punish those responsible.
Check Yemen, we've been there a long time.
Posted on 2/3/24 at 6:34 pm to AFtigerFan
Interesting feedback - thanks.
Posted on 2/3/24 at 6:36 pm to AFtigerFan
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This post was edited on 2/3/24 at 6:41 pm
Posted on 2/3/24 at 7:58 pm to RonLaFlamme
Like something out of Star Wars. It’s an older code sir but it checks out…
Posted on 2/3/24 at 8:16 pm to RonLaFlamme
Biden/Obama regime allowed attack to open gate for retaliation…..corrupt MFrs….
Posted on 2/3/24 at 8:18 pm to RonLaFlamme
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If true, that's impeachment level stuff. Maybe someone with military experience can weigh in on how this stuff works. I'm sure the recon/spy drones can switch transponder off, but the implication here is that it was left on and the air defense network read it as a friendly aircraft because the codes hadn't been updated to account for abandoned weaponry in Afghanistan. That was ~2 years ago.
One would assume the rf signal that IDs a drone to command and control is encrypted and that ID encryption is programmable and changed periodically for security reasons.
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