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re: Why does it seem like liberalism always wins in the end?
Posted on 1/12/14 at 11:22 am to HailHailtoMichigan!
Posted on 1/12/14 at 11:22 am to HailHailtoMichigan!
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If you study the history of this country, all momentous points were when great changed happened: It was "liberals" that wanted independence from Britain. It was "liberals" who abolished the institution of slavery. New deal, civil rights, worker rights, etc. Is history basically not proof that liberalism always wins? What great conservative causes have won?
Probably only appears this way because the progressives have successfully usurped public institutions and the publishing industry, so nearly everything written post-1964 is going to have a leftwing bias.
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Posted on 1/12/14 at 11:25 am to HailHailtoMichigan!
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Why does it seem like liberalism always wins in the end?
Government tends to necessitate more government
Governments don't start large and get smaller
They start small and get larger
Posted on 1/12/14 at 11:25 am to HailHailtoMichigan!
You're conflating "Classical Liberalism" with today's Leftists.
Nice try though.
Nice try though.
Posted on 1/12/14 at 11:28 am to Jake88
[quote]Because liberalism in the US provides the easy, immediate gratification route with little care as to the price.
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Liberals are true believers. The biggest difference between liberals and conservatives centers on social welfare.
People who vote Democrat because they hate conservatives aren't necessarily liberals.
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Liberals are true believers. The biggest difference between liberals and conservatives centers on social welfare.
People who vote Democrat because they hate conservatives aren't necessarily liberals.
Posted on 1/12/14 at 11:30 am to Powerman
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They start small and get larger
So far, war seems to be only effective cure.
Posted on 1/12/14 at 11:47 am to HailHailtoMichigan!
Liberalism always wins because it's the squeaky wheel.
Posted on 1/12/14 at 11:54 am to Hoyas
Agreed.
Agitprop is LOUD.
Quiet Functionality is boring.
Agitprop is LOUD.
Quiet Functionality is boring.
Posted on 1/12/14 at 12:09 pm to Lsupimp
The simple solution is that liberal solutions are the better ones and what makes peoples' lives better.
People have chosen liberalism (today's leftism) because it offers better solutions to problems.
People have chosen liberalism (today's leftism) because it offers better solutions to problems.
Posted on 1/12/14 at 12:12 pm to Ralph_Wiggum
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The simple solution is that liberal solutions are the better ones and what makes peoples' lives better. People have chosen liberalism (today's leftism) because it offers better solutions to problems.
Oh yeah...the Black Family. Poverty and crime stats. Another grand Liberal *success*.
The rest of us won't be far behind.
Posted on 1/12/14 at 1:49 pm to RCDfan1950
Have you ever been cornered by a social conservative...there is your answer.
Posted on 1/12/14 at 1:52 pm to Ralph_Wiggum
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The simple solution is that liberal solutions are the better ones and what makes peoples' lives better.
People have chosen liberalism (today's leftism) because it offers better solutions to problems
State solutions make lives better?
100,000,000 people in the 20th Century disagree.
Or they would, if they could...
Posted on 1/12/14 at 4:22 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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Pure delusion.
It's not.
Classical liberals are pretty much ostracized in the democratic party these days. They're only liked for their social polices but but reviled for their fiscal responsibility. Thus, they don't exist in that party anymore. Progressives have all but hijacked the word liberalism and that's what they're referred to as these days.
There's a huge difference between classical liberalism and today's liberalism. You're not a classical liberal. They're basically libertarians of today.
Did you know that Milton Friedman was a classicl liberal? You most likely think he's an extreme right winger.
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Stop relying on Rush to tell you what liberalism is
Posted on 1/12/14 at 7:23 pm to Zach
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Libertarianism is certainly farther to the right than what YOU are calling conservative. I'm calling everything right of dead center as conservative with various subgroups along the line....like the Christian right; single-issue types (ban abortion); isolationists, etc.
What "I" am calling conservatism? "I" am using the textbook definition of conservatism. You can call it whatever you want, but calling a dog a frog still doesn't make it a frog.
You're kind of oversimplifying a bit, yes?
Posted on 1/12/14 at 8:54 pm to unbeWEAVEable
The place conservatism has won is the modern Islamic state. Hooray for 6th century values.
Posted on 1/12/14 at 8:59 pm to Tigah in the ATL
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The place conservatism has won is the modern Islamic state. Hooray for 6th century values.
It takes a special kind of moral idiot to equate those most interested in preserving Individual Liberty to the societal depravities of Islam.
If you had any respect for yourself, you'd be ashamed.
Posted on 1/12/14 at 9:14 pm to Lsupimp
You have redefined conservatism that way.
We can always pick the best parts and claim them as our own. That doesn't make it so.
It was conservative ministers the liberal MLK wrote his letter to. They were not supporting personal liberty. It was support of the status quo, which is what conservatism is at its core. You can't claim civil rights as a conservative value when conservatives haven't been a part of the movement.
Ignoring that is ignoring what is wrong with conservatism.
We can always pick the best parts and claim them as our own. That doesn't make it so.
It was conservative ministers the liberal MLK wrote his letter to. They were not supporting personal liberty. It was support of the status quo, which is what conservatism is at its core. You can't claim civil rights as a conservative value when conservatives haven't been a part of the movement.
Ignoring that is ignoring what is wrong with conservatism.
Posted on 1/12/14 at 9:19 pm to Tigah in the ATL
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The place conservatism has won is the modern Islamic state.
, and the place liberalism has won is the north korean state. This post was edited on 1/12/14 at 9:20 pm
Posted on 1/12/14 at 9:26 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
And the place where western social liberalism has won is the USA.
Posted on 1/12/14 at 9:33 pm to Tigah in the ATL
Black racists like yourself have undermined race relations in this country far more than any Conservative has. Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, Louis Farrakhan, Black Panthers, New Black Panthers, Congressional Black Caucus, Naacp,-all telling you your whole life to beware of the White Man-turning You slowly into this bitter old black racist that you are now.
The legacy of your thinking is broken families, baby-momma, baby-daddies, children raising themselves, out of control crime, jail, dropping out of school, AND FAILING IN EVERY MEASURABLE WAY AS NO OTHER RACIAL POPULATION IN AMERICA EVER HAS. Liberalism did that. The Great Society did that. YOU did that. Own it. Be the Democratic Party Houseboy that we know you are, you insufferable little race pimp.
The legacy of your thinking is broken families, baby-momma, baby-daddies, children raising themselves, out of control crime, jail, dropping out of school, AND FAILING IN EVERY MEASURABLE WAY AS NO OTHER RACIAL POPULATION IN AMERICA EVER HAS. Liberalism did that. The Great Society did that. YOU did that. Own it. Be the Democratic Party Houseboy that we know you are, you insufferable little race pimp.
Posted on 1/12/14 at 10:06 pm to Lsupimp
WTF?
Are you really saying 1950 was better for black people? Really?
Also I didn't know I was black.
Are you really saying 1950 was better for black people? Really?
Also I didn't know I was black.
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