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Why do the left and neocons hate Russia so bad?

Posted on 12/8/21 at 6:36 am
Posted by burger bearcat
Member since Oct 2020
8869 posts
Posted on 12/8/21 at 6:36 am
I have an indifferent/neutral opinion on them. But they aren't actively waging economic and psychological warfare on America the way the ChiComs have.

Why am I supposed to hate Russia? And why should I give a shite about what they do with Ukraine?
Posted by AUCom96
Alabama
Member since May 2020
5005 posts
Posted on 12/8/21 at 6:40 am to
I don't know. I've always supposed that the same money that bought America and most of Europe's political elite find Russia to be too nationalistic for their taste, which is ironically funny.
Posted by aTmTexas Dillo
East Texas Lake
Member since Sep 2018
15112 posts
Posted on 12/8/21 at 6:42 am to
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And why should I give a shite about what they do with Ukraine?

You need to think this through. I guess it is OK for a country like Russia to get an itch and then scratch it by invading a few countries. They just need a larger safety buffer I guess, right? Estonia and Poland and Slovokia next. That's all. It was their's after WW2 anyway.
Posted by Paul Redeker
Member since Jan 2013
219 posts
Posted on 12/8/21 at 6:42 am to
Gotta have a boogeyman.
Posted by Nguyener
Kame House
Member since Mar 2013
20603 posts
Posted on 12/8/21 at 6:42 am to
Hatred and fear of Russia is a great way to justify increased governmental spending and power
Posted by Strannix
District 11
Member since Dec 2012
48956 posts
Posted on 12/8/21 at 6:43 am to
Because Putin has named and opposed the cabal behind international Bolshevism/Globalism. They should know better than anyone
Posted by Seldom Seen
Member since Feb 2016
40258 posts
Posted on 12/8/21 at 6:43 am to
Because Russia is not submitting to Globohomo.
Posted by Statestreet
Gueydan
Member since Sep 2008
12952 posts
Posted on 12/8/21 at 6:45 am to
Because they made up all of that shite about Trump and Russia collusion.
Posted by ItNeverRains
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Member since Oct 2007
25488 posts
Posted on 12/8/21 at 6:47 am to
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You need to think this through. I guess it is OK for a country like Russia to get an itch and then scratch it by invading a few countries. They just need a larger safety buffer I guess, right? Estonia and Poland and Slovokia next. That's all. It was their's after WW2 anyway.


Tell me how a country with a current economy the size of New York accomplishes this? You are being played. If NATO stays out of Ukraine, so will Russia. Russia is a distraction. China is the real enemy. Stop being hoodwinked.
Posted by BeNotDeceivedGal6_7
Member since May 2019
7039 posts
Posted on 12/8/21 at 6:51 am to
1.The left and neocons are in bed with China.

2. I don't think Putin plays ball like Medvedev did. Much like Trump, I don't think Putin was supposed to win.



I found info in Wikileaks about Obama feeling insecure around Putin and Biden "offering" the Presidency to Medvedev. I posted it last year before the election, but it got lost when they closed down that board. I'll have to go back and find it again and post it.
Posted by KLSU
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2003
10312 posts
Posted on 12/8/21 at 6:56 am to
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Why do the left and neocons hate Russia so bad


Because Russia wants the Ukraine back and this is the country that the Deep State has all its dark secrets in!

Russia takes over and exposes them for who they really are...
This post was edited on 12/8/21 at 7:00 am
Posted by MeatCleaverWeaver
Member since Oct 2013
22175 posts
Posted on 12/8/21 at 6:58 am to
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Gotta have a boogeyman.



This ^. And gotta keep that muh collision/OMB rhetoric going for the mouth breathers who still give it credibility.
Posted by LuckyTiger
Someone's Alter
Member since Dec 2008
45294 posts
Posted on 12/8/21 at 6:58 am to
Russia is a convenient bogeyman the deep state (Republican and Democrat) uses as a tool of fear on the American people. It is a useful fearmongering tool. Russians have essentially replaced Muslims as a justification for the government to spy on American citizens and wield powerfully invasive mechanisms to maintain control of the populace. It’s unacceptable to criticize Islamists but perfectly acceptable to go after Russians.

Also, American business interests (and the political bribery and kickbacks that go along with it) are much more focused on making money (for themselves, not you) in China than Russia. Both the left (Clinton) and the right (Bush) worked diligently to get WTO membership in China because of corporate influence within both the Democrat and Republican parties.
Posted by Nguyener
Kame House
Member since Mar 2013
20603 posts
Posted on 12/8/21 at 7:05 am to
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through. I guess it is OK for a country like Russia to get an itch and then scratch it by invading a few countries. They just need a larger safety buffer I guess, right



You know America does this all the time right?

If we’re going to tell other countries not to invade, shouldn’t we stop doing it?
Posted by SCLibertarian
Conway, South Carolina
Member since Aug 2013
36094 posts
Posted on 12/8/21 at 7:06 am to
Neocons were originally Trotskyists whose anti-Communism was actually anti-Stalinism. Their belief in perpetual war to achieve a global democratic order is right out of Trotsky's playbook. There is also the fact that many neocons are Zionist Jews. They don't like Russia because of the Tsarist pogroms throughout the centuries.
Posted by rooster108bm
Member since Nov 2010
2895 posts
Posted on 12/8/21 at 7:07 am to
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Why am I supposed to hate Russia?


It is a white, heterosexual, Christian nation.
Posted by starkvingrad
Florida
Member since Apr 2021
5837 posts
Posted on 12/8/21 at 7:08 am to
I've never liked or trusted the Russians, but it's because I'm a cold war kid.

Be careful buddying up with those people. They're as slippery as the Chinese. Don't forget how close they were to wiping us off the map, kids.
Posted by thebigmuffaletta
Member since Aug 2017
12962 posts
Posted on 12/8/21 at 7:12 am to
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I found info in Wikileaks about Obama feeling insecure around Putin and Biden "offering" the Presidency to Medvedev. I posted it last year before the election, but it got lost when they closed down that board. I'll have to go back and find it again and post it.


Wikileaks

I think this is what you’re talking about
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
111547 posts
Posted on 12/8/21 at 7:12 am to
Russia competes in the international weapons market.

One theory says that the neoconservatives are so beholden to the MIC that they hate Russia because of that competition without knowing that’s what’s driving the hate.
Posted by wickowick
Head of Island
Member since Dec 2006
45815 posts
Posted on 12/8/21 at 7:12 am to
Probably because the Russians know most of the corrupt American politicians and have evidence of their crimes
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