re: Why Are SJW's and Feminists Largely Silent Regarding Muslim Violence?

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Two words.

Cru. Sades.

That'll be the comeback.

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I don't give a shite about a war that happened over a thousand years ago. We're talking about modern times in present day and there is no debate whatsoever to be had about Islam being the most extreme religion in existence and thus the scourge of the Earth.

I get your point, and it's salient to a degree, but I kinda feel like demanding condemnations like this is a bit of a cheap shot.

I'm certain if asked they would condemn violence against women in Islamic states just as they would in Western ones. But their battles are closer to home. It's kinda like asking why Republicans are largely silent regarding the existence of a massive welfare state in Europe or political repressions in China; sure, we don't like it, and we speak out about it sometimes, but it's just not directly our problem to combat, and people pushing us to make some kind of point against it feels... insincere somehow. Like they're distracting from the discourse by demanding some condemnation of something not immediately relevant to the issues we care about here at home.

I'd rather just not play the condemnation game, because it turns so quickly into a massive gotcha mess on both sides in lieu of real discussion.

Now, where I think there's a salient point to be had is in comparing the condemnation at home to condemnation abroad, and there's something to it. Forgive me if I don't find Romney's binders-full-of-women comment particularly upsetting, y'know? Not that we should rest on our laurels in being better than most of the world in treating women well, but if that's the worst we're doing, I'm not feeling especially bad about where we're at.

But let's please not play this condemnation game, it mostly exists to distract from discussion about the issues themselves and the values underlying solutions to those issues.

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It's kinda like asking why Republicans are largely silent regarding the existence of a massive welfare state in Europe or political repressions in China;

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You obviously don't talk to many educated Republicans, I guess?

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You obviously don't talk to many educated Republicans, I guess?

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I do. They talk about it, but the platform isn't "We hate the European welfare state!" or "We hate Chinese human rights abuses!" Instead it's "We need to do XYZ to avoid going down the path of Europe/China." The focus isn't on condemning countries abroad but on ensuring our domestic policies prevent us from becoming them. In the same light it makes sense that feminists wouldn't raise a huge ruckus over violence against women in the Middle East; they would be concerned with making sure we don't go down the path the Middle East did, and since we aren't in any realistic threat of doing so, there's just nothing to say.

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Are you willing to admit there is a difference between a Muslim who will blow himself up on a bus to kill whomever in the name of Islam versus the pediatric oncologist I know from Syria who lives down the street and has a wonderful family and is just an incredibly nice man who also happens to be a Muslim?

If you can admit there is a difference there, then we can have a discussion. If you lump those two people together simply because they identify loosely with the same religion, then I don't think a conversation would be fruitful.

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Have you always applied this same standard when you've talked about or listened to someone talk about Nazi Germany? Did you differentiate between average citizens in Nazi Germany and the brutal Germans every time you talked about them or made mention or allusion to them?

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Have you always applied this same standard when you've talked about or listened to someone talk about Nazi Germany? Did you differentiate between average citizens in Nazi Germany and the brutal Germans every time you talked about them or made mention or allusion to them?

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Actually it would be to differentiate Nazi's from the SS.

Which is analogous to the "not every muslim" tactic. Most Nazi's knew absolutely nothing of the genocide, and likely would have been mortified.

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quote: You obviously don't talk to many educated Republicans, I guess? I do. They talk about it, but the platform isn't "We hate the European welfare state!" or "We hate Chinese human rights abuses!" Instead it's "We need to do XYZ to avoid going down the path of Europe/China." The focus isn't on condemning countries abroad but on ensuring our domestic policies prevent us from becoming them. In the same light it makes sense that feminists wouldn't raise a huge ruckus over violence against women in the Middle East; they would be concerned with making sure we don't go down the path the Middle East did, and since we aren't in any realistic threat of doing so, there's just nothing to say.

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It's not just the hypocrisy of the left and Feminist about Muslim violence in the middle east. It's Muslim violence in the U.S. as well. The presidants constant refusal to call any act by a Muslim in the U.S. terrorism no matter how gruesome or obvious the signs that their was religious ideology or terror acts at work.

Furthermore, it's the left and specifically feminist silence or in some instances outright defense of Muslims groups domestically despite the negative treatment of women and women's rights documented in multiple middle eastern and predominately Muslim majority nations.It's comes off a bit hypocritical and inconsistant when viewed through the prism of how the left attacks republicans every presidential campaign (war on women) for example.

You must not visit many other sites. Social Justice Warrior is a pretty common term online.

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Oh and everyone "condemns" this kind of violence.

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Yes of course.

I think the proper question is why leftists in general will go out of their way to point out that all Muslims dont blow themselves up yet would never bother to do the same for Christians when something like Westboro Church comes up. And even then, the notion of equating someone picketing a funeral with beheading children is absurd yet here we are in another apology fest.

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It's Muslim violence in the U.S. as well.

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Examples? I'm not saying you're wrong, just that I can't personally recall any instances of Muslim violence against women in the US that feminists didn't condemn. If anything I tend to find they overstep and find examples that aren't there.

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Furthermore, it's the left and specifically feminist silence or in some instances outright defense of Muslims groups domestically despite the negative treatment of women and women's rights documented in multiple middle eastern and predominately Muslim majority nations.

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Well, since Muslim groups domestically generally aren't responsible for violence in Islamic nations abroad - but, as your post demonstrates, they're blamed for it anyway - I don't really see where you're coming from here. Christians in the US aren't to blame for Christian radicals in the Central African Republic slaughtering people, why would Muslims in the US be to blame for Muslim radicals in the Middle East slaughtering people? I don't see the inconsistency in showing enough nuance not to categorize nearly three million people in the US by the most radical elements of a shared faith.

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It's comes off a bit hypocritical and inconsistant when viewed through the prism of how the left attacks republicans every presidential campaign (war on women) for example.

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This I agree with 100%, but I think we should do the right thing in this situation by not stooping to their stupid childish blame game. Look at how Gardner won Colorado as one example of it working if that worries you, but honestly even if it doesn't win elections all the time, we should be better than this. It's why, for example, I don't want the people behind the Sony emails making racist jokes fired; sure, leftists called for others' jobs for the same thing, but I don't want people getting fired for making racist comments, so even though there's a lot of schadenfreude-driven amusement at the prospect of employment termination being turned back at them, I can't support it to get the world I want to see.