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Why are Blacks considered a major voting demographics in modern elections?

Posted on 7/28/17 at 10:42 am
Posted by volod
Leesville, LA
Member since Jun 2014
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Posted on 7/28/17 at 10:42 am

Blacks make up roughly 13% of the population. It could be argued that one of the reasons they remain a protected group is that even with solid consensus, they can not influence a presidential election by significant margin without white support.

To top it off, they mostly reside in states that are mostly the opposite of their current party.

I think this board is disingenuous about the SS and how it literally created modern politics in the US.

Here is something off another forum regarding the Southern Strategy.

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The basic history is that The Democratic Party was largely the South around the time of the civil war, and the new Republican party was largely the 'north'.

The Republicans' first president, Lincoln, 'freed the slaves', and blacks' loyalty was set for decades to come.

The whole nation was basically racist this whole time. Not as much as the south, but quite racist, and the parties were not far apart on it.

Up through the 50's, both parties had a claim to the black vote. The Democrats' northern faction had some more pro-black activities - appointing black judges, integrating the military - but it also had the boweevils, the racist Southern Democrats who filibustered civil rights bills. This was the case headed into the JFK-Nixon elections.

Starting then, JFK called Martin Luther King's wife while he was in jail, symbolically showing support for the blacks - but quite cautiously. While president, he changed a lot on the issue and became with his brother a leader for civil rights. He was the first president to tell the nation it was a moral issue. This was where Democrats sided with blacks; in the 60's, this also led to the black riots. Republicans chose to use the issue for themselves by siding with whites and racists against blacks.

This was called the 'Southern Strategy' in the Nixon campaign. LBJ had said when he signed the civil rights bill that he'd handed the White House to Republicans for many years to come; Republicans made sure of it. This was 'dog whistle' politics, and the end of the 'Solid South', which further became and largely stayed Republican with Reagan (who began his campaign with a states' rights (code for anti-civil rights)speech in Mississippi where civil rights had been killed.

This is the modern history; since Reagan, Republicans have been the party of the rich, while Democrats had launched the war on poverty and helped the poor.


Why Blacks are a constituency for Democrats

PS. Oh and by the way, I think that most of you have an issue with "progressivism" and not really liberalism. I don't think the modern Dems are classical liberals in their practices.
Posted by SCLibertarian
Conway, South Carolina
Member since Aug 2013
36019 posts
Posted on 7/28/17 at 10:43 am to
When 94% of a demographic vote for one party, it's important to said party.
Posted by olddawg26
Member since Jan 2013
24584 posts
Posted on 7/28/17 at 10:43 am to
I'd say because they all vote one way or the other. Very rarely do you see them 'split' on candidates, especially presidents.
Posted by Iosh
Bureau of Interstellar Immigration
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Posted on 7/28/17 at 10:44 am to
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I think this board is disingenuous about the SS
Lol no shite
Posted by ILeaveAtHalftime
Member since Sep 2013
2889 posts
Posted on 7/28/17 at 10:45 am to
The answer is the lefts stalwart devotion to identity politics, the oversimplification of all political issues into good vs evil, and the media's complicitness therein.

ETA: Also, a certain demographic's complete and utter devotion to their "leaders" and celebrities
This post was edited on 7/28/17 at 10:46 am
Posted by RockyMtnTigerWDE
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Posted on 7/28/17 at 10:45 am to
I don't know, but according to BamaAtl they can't even afford to get an ID. Not sure how they can afford fuel to get to the voting station?
Posted by FooManChoo
Member since Dec 2012
41670 posts
Posted on 7/28/17 at 10:46 am to
They aren't. The real target is liberal whites who have guilt about how blacks were treated in the past.

The black vote is always locked up for the Dems, but they are pandered to in a highly visible way to influence guilt-ridden whites who don't want to appear to be racist.
Posted by ILeaveAtHalftime
Member since Sep 2013
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Posted on 7/28/17 at 10:47 am to
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hey aren't. The real target is liberal whites who have guilt about how blacks were treated in the past.


Also this.
Posted by Machine
Earth
Member since May 2011
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Posted on 7/28/17 at 10:49 am to
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This is the modern history; since Reagan, Republicans have been the party of the rich, while Democrats had launched the war on poverty and helped the poor.

Posted by Wally Sparks
Atlanta
Member since Feb 2013
29156 posts
Posted on 7/28/17 at 10:49 am to
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The black vote is always locked up for the Dems, but they are pandered to in a highly visible way to influence guilt-ridden whites who don't want to appear to be racist.

Posted by SCLibertarian
Conway, South Carolina
Member since Aug 2013
36019 posts
Posted on 7/28/17 at 10:52 am to
Democrats care about the black vote, not black people. Do you see any mainstream Democrats in Congress advocating for criminal justice reform or an end to the War on Drugs? Do you see any mainstream Democrats in Congress debating measures to potentially reduce the numbers of African American children born out of wedlock?

The Democratic message is one of identity politics, yet they completely miss on changing the institutional structures of American politics. They're more concerned with symbolic gestures, such as removing Confederate statutes and flags, than they are by tackling real issues that are difficult and messy.
Posted by Andychapman13
Member since Jun 2016
2728 posts
Posted on 7/28/17 at 10:53 am to
Identity politics forged by the left to get votes and keep blacks and Latinos in poverty so they will continue to vote for them religiously. The voting demographic of blacks who are married with kids and make over $100K/year is close to 40% GOP! Whereas poor blacks vote 98% Dem.
Posted by RockyMtnTigerWDE
War Damn Eagle Dad!
Member since Oct 2010
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Posted on 7/28/17 at 10:53 am to
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while Democrats had launched the war on poverty and helped the poor.


One of the biggest myths in political history. The dems have somehow continued to enslave the large majority of black people to their false narrative of helping them, when the opposite is true.
Posted by gthog61
Irving, TX
Member since Nov 2009
71001 posts
Posted on 7/28/17 at 10:55 am to
What is laughable is white liberals drooling over demographic changes because the most irrelevant voting block in a minority majority country will be white liberals.

Then they will win everywhere as often as they win in the south now
Posted by Seldom Seen
Member since Feb 2016
40083 posts
Posted on 7/28/17 at 10:55 am to
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Why are Blacks considered a major voting demographics in modern elections?



Because they all vote the same and they are like 12% of the total population.
Posted by FooManChoo
Member since Dec 2012
41670 posts
Posted on 7/28/17 at 10:55 am to
I don't get this talking point. The GOP is the party of the rich, except for the super rich like Bill Gates or the Hollywood elites or the super rich in California and the Northeast.

The Dems are the party of the poor, except for the poor "rednecks" in the South and the flyover states who consistently vote for the GOP.

Generalizations are dumb (and yes, that is a generalization).
Posted by narddogg81
Vancouver
Member since Jan 2012
19695 posts
Posted on 7/28/17 at 10:58 am to
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This is the modern history; since Reagan, Republicans have been the party of the rich, while Democrats had launched the war on poverty and helped the poor.
this is so stupid
Posted by Muthsera
Member since Jun 2017
7319 posts
Posted on 7/28/17 at 11:01 am to
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I'd say because they all vote one way or the other. Very rarely do you see them 'split' on candidates, especially presidents.


Would there be anything more fun than a Joe Biden vs Maxine Waters vs Kamala Harris presidential primary?
Posted by volod
Leesville, LA
Member since Jun 2014
5392 posts
Posted on 7/28/17 at 11:04 am to
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Democrats care about the black vote, not black people. Do you see any mainstream Democrats in Congress advocating for criminal justice reform or an end to the War on Drugs? Do you see any mainstream Democrats in Congress debating measures to potentially reduce the numbers of African American children born out of wedlock? The Democratic message is one of identity politics, yet they completely miss on changing the institutional structures of American politics. They're more concerned with symbolic gestures, such as removing Confederate statutes and flags, than they are by tackling real issues that are difficult and messy


I agree with this. My biggest concern is that the Democrats need to appeal to the white lower and middle class voters. They could easily do so by toning down on the race pandering. Really pandering in general needs to be avoided as it is not helping anyone, including poor whites. Their platform can be classically liberal by offering things such as Medicare for all and more affordable college plans.
Posted by Zach
Gizmonic Institute
Member since May 2005
112460 posts
Posted on 7/28/17 at 11:04 am to
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since Reagan, Republicans have been the party of the rich,


Uh, I got news for ya. Republicans were called the 'party of the rich' in the 1950s.
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