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Who wants to point out the flaws of this healthcare bill?
Posted on 9/21/17 at 5:27 pm
Posted on 9/21/17 at 5:27 pm
I keep hearing how it's terrible on this board but no specifics. I'm willing to be convinced but gonna need to hear specifics. From where I sit it gives decision making power to the states for where funds go, allows states to reduce amounts of required care in plans, gets rid of the individual mandate. What am I missing here? Definitely an improvement
Of note in asking this of "conservatives" not liberals. I don't need any fear mongering of granny and baby joey off a cliff
Of note in asking this of "conservatives" not liberals. I don't need any fear mongering of granny and baby joey off a cliff
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Posted on 9/21/17 at 5:28 pm to Adam Banks
It doesn't repeal Obamacare.
Posted on 9/21/17 at 5:31 pm to Esquire
The above repeals Obamacare. Essentially every item that made Obamacare what it was is changed
Posted on 9/21/17 at 5:33 pm to Esquire
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It doesn't repeal Obamacare.
This has no meaning. Try engaging your brain.
Kudos to the OP.
Posted on 9/21/17 at 5:34 pm to Adam Banks
It is pretty clear this is basically just a mechanism to declare victory and get a punch of dimwits to say MAGA!
It seems to accomplish very little...IF you want proof, evaluate this plan as if Obamacare didn't exist and tell me you would support it.
It seems to accomplish very little...IF you want proof, evaluate this plan as if Obamacare didn't exist and tell me you would support it.
Posted on 9/21/17 at 5:38 pm to Adam Banks
It eliminates the individual mandate, correct?
That means I don't have to buy coverage for pregnancy if I change jobs again and need an individual policy?
I am in.
I learned from dem voters - what is in it for me?
That means I don't have to buy coverage for pregnancy if I change jobs again and need an individual policy?
I am in.
I learned from dem voters - what is in it for me?
Posted on 9/21/17 at 5:39 pm to Tigerdev
quote:
It is pretty clear this is basically just a mechanism to declare victory and get a punch of dimwits to say MAGA!
It seems to accomplish very little...IF you want proof, evaluate this plan as if Obamacare didn't exist and tell me you would support it.
Then why are liberals crying about it? I'm fine with things going back to the way they were pre Obamacare with a little bit more money for indigent care (Medicaid)
Posted on 9/21/17 at 5:41 pm to gthog61
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It eliminates the individual mandate, correct? That means I don't have to buy coverage for pregnancy if I change jobs again and need an individual policy?
From what I've read it leaves the policy to the states. I E if you live in a statist society a la cali then yes you will have to buy pregnancy coverage. If you are in a place that values freedom a la Texas you likely will be free to make any decisions good or bad that you see fit
Posted on 9/21/17 at 6:00 pm to Adam Banks
Well... A bill slapped together to declare a purely partisan victory... What could go wrong?
Posted on 9/21/17 at 6:00 pm to Adam Banks
The insurance lobby has come out against it because they believe some states will simply institute single payer with the block grant.
Posted on 9/21/17 at 6:05 pm to Adam Banks
quote:Correct!
The above repeals Obamacare. Essentially every item that made Obamacare what it was is changed
Posted on 9/21/17 at 6:07 pm to Tigerdev
quote:FYI, if it passes (if being the unfortunately necessary qualifier), 2018 will prove you bitterly wrong
It seems to accomplish very little...
Posted on 9/21/17 at 6:10 pm to Antonio Moss
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The insurance lobby has come out against it because they believe some states will simply institute single payer with the block grant.
Well number 1 aint gonna happen Blue states are already complaining that federal funds are being shifted to states that didnt expand medicaid because it changes how its distributed.
2. If they still want to ? Ok. The money is capped per person so sure if cali wants to be the experiment in socialism in the USA feel free to implement single payer and then note the MASSIVE influx of low income earners and the transformation of their lilly white limousine liberal utopia while experiencing a massive efflux of physicians
Posted on 9/21/17 at 6:12 pm to Antonio Moss
quote:Dear Lord, please let that happen.
they believe some states will simply institute single payer with the block grant.
Posted on 9/21/17 at 6:19 pm to Tigerdev
quote:
Well... A bill slapped together to declare a purely partisan victory... What could go wrong?
In one post you say it will nothing then in the next imply that it is going to cause massive problems. So which is it?
Posted on 9/21/17 at 6:23 pm to Adam Banks
it allows the states to create their own "individual market" for those not covered by employers/Medicare/Medicaid.
It gets rid of the individual and employer mandate.
It keeps all the Obamacare taxes except the medical device tax which both Dems and Repubs want to get rid of.
It takes the Obamacare taxes and block grants it back to the states. The purpose to cover those people who are chronically ill/sick/have preexisting conditions etc. The states will do this by either granting a subsidy(like Obamacare) or creating a high risk pool.
This can be called medical welfare(it is). But it does create a "cleaner" "healthier" risk pool for everybody else. There should be a trade off.
Getting rid of Obamacare mandates, inducing competition between insurance companies, allow associations, and creating a "cleaner" risk pool wil/should l lower premiums. This can all happen if the states choose to do it.
All the left wingers are bitchin' that the law takes back "some" the Obamacare wording on covering preexisting conditions. This is what happens when you deregulate the ACA. WHO REALLY GIVES A SHAT WHAT HAPPENS TO THIS ON THE FEDERAL LEVEL. States can/will take care of this on the state level.
Insurance companies don't want this. That is a good sign. People need to realize when YOU FORCE people to buy health insurance with all the bells and whistles(Obamacare's Essential Health Benefits mandate) - pregnancy care, birth control, drug rehab, mental health, ambulance service etc that insurance companies are making out $$$ with all this additional crap.
It gets rid of the individual and employer mandate.
It keeps all the Obamacare taxes except the medical device tax which both Dems and Repubs want to get rid of.
It takes the Obamacare taxes and block grants it back to the states. The purpose to cover those people who are chronically ill/sick/have preexisting conditions etc. The states will do this by either granting a subsidy(like Obamacare) or creating a high risk pool.
This can be called medical welfare(it is). But it does create a "cleaner" "healthier" risk pool for everybody else. There should be a trade off.
Getting rid of Obamacare mandates, inducing competition between insurance companies, allow associations, and creating a "cleaner" risk pool wil/should l lower premiums. This can all happen if the states choose to do it.
All the left wingers are bitchin' that the law takes back "some" the Obamacare wording on covering preexisting conditions. This is what happens when you deregulate the ACA. WHO REALLY GIVES A SHAT WHAT HAPPENS TO THIS ON THE FEDERAL LEVEL. States can/will take care of this on the state level.
Insurance companies don't want this. That is a good sign. People need to realize when YOU FORCE people to buy health insurance with all the bells and whistles(Obamacare's Essential Health Benefits mandate) - pregnancy care, birth control, drug rehab, mental health, ambulance service etc that insurance companies are making out $$$ with all this additional crap.
Posted on 9/21/17 at 6:26 pm to Adam Banks
I said accomplish very little. Not do nothing.
Posted on 9/21/17 at 6:29 pm to Adam Banks
The response of libs and Ocare supporters tells me it is more than just window-dressing.
Posted on 9/21/17 at 6:30 pm to NC_Tigah
Yes i am aware that the MAGA crowd only cares about "winning" if that is what you are implying.
Posted on 9/21/17 at 6:33 pm to Tigerdev
quote:
It is pretty clear this is basically just a mechanism to declare victory and get a punch of dimwits to say MAGA!
It seems to accomplish very little...IF you want proof, evaluate this plan as if Obamacare didn't exist and tell me you would support it.
Your have no clue what you are talking about.
I am one of those who don't get employer based insurance/Medicare/Medicaid. I get my insurance in the individual market/ACA exchanges. I don't qualify for a subsidy. I HAVE BEEN HAMMERED WITH PRICE INCREASES since 2014. Hammered to the tune of 400%.
You think this is some kind of game. I want you to shut your fricking mouth until you find out what this is all really about. YOU NEED TO GO TO THE ACA EXCHANGE in November and price out an UNSUBSIDIZED PLAN.
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