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Who is really benefitting from the ACA ? Lack of Civil Protests.

Posted on 7/31/17 at 8:18 am
Posted by volod
Leesville, LA
Member since Jun 2014
5392 posts
Posted on 7/31/17 at 8:18 am
Most of you have been proclaiming that the ACA is terrible for the country. You have stated that premiums are way too expensive (which is true) and there is a noticeable stagnation in care. Even though rates for insurance were already increasing since the Clinton era, there has obviously been a jump in payments in recent years.

However, I have noticed a lack of response from the masses in our country. There should be protests and boycotts. I do not see any civil unrest from the citizens.

I know lack of protest does not necessarily equate dissatisfaction, but it is usually an indicator of bad policy that effects millions of Americans.

TLDR which group of Americans is actually suffering. Which demographic, income-level, and social group is carrying the burden.

This post was edited on 7/31/17 at 8:19 am
Posted by The Boat
Member since Oct 2008
164143 posts
Posted on 7/31/17 at 8:19 am to
Normal people don't do civil protests. We just sit at home bitch about things and go to work. Then we vote.
Posted by Swoopin
Member since Jun 2011
22030 posts
Posted on 7/31/17 at 8:20 am to
Nb4bcWeHaveJobs
Posted by Bourre
Da Parish
Member since Nov 2012
20279 posts
Posted on 7/31/17 at 8:20 am to
Most people have jobs and a life to live. Democrat leeches are the only ones who have time to protest
Posted by elposter
Member since Dec 2010
24929 posts
Posted on 7/31/17 at 8:21 am to
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TLDR which group of Americans is actually suffering. Which demographic, income-level, and social group is carrying the burden.





One's that probably don't have a lot of time for protesting and rioting.
Posted by Andychapman13
Member since Jun 2016
2728 posts
Posted on 7/31/17 at 8:21 am to
Hard working conservatives in this country do not go out and raise hell like cry babies because we don't get what we want. We go and vote as often as possible. I would say the election results from 2010-2016 are a very clear indicator of how we feel about ACA.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
Simple Solutions to Complex Probs
Member since Jan 2004
422567 posts
Posted on 7/31/17 at 8:23 am to
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However, I have noticed a lack of response from the masses in our country. There should be protests and boycotts. I do not see any civil unrest from the citizens.

the demos most affected negatively by the ACA aren't the type to randomly organize protests

plus the effects are way too spread out to organize anything of any note

quote:

I know lack of protest does not necessarily equate dissatisfaction, but it is usually an indicator of bad policy that effects millions of Americans.

this applies very differently to different demos

the biggest example of a major right protest movement was the original TEA Party stuff. after all the lies and bullshite (and lack of success), it really hasn't come back in any new form. the best you'll get is some specific march or convention (typically religious-based)
Posted by elposter
Member since Dec 2010
24929 posts
Posted on 7/31/17 at 8:23 am to
quote:

However, I have noticed a lack of response from the masses in our country. There should be protests and boycotts. I do not see any civil unrest from the citizens.


Also you are not actually looking at the right thing. They are responding with votes every two years. They aren't going to march on Washington. Also what do you think they should be "boycotting"?
Posted by MMauler
Member since Jun 2013
19216 posts
Posted on 7/31/17 at 8:35 am to
One of the "selling" points of Odumbf*ckCare was that we had to get rid of the "free rider" system because it wasn't "fair" that people could just not get health insurance but would then get to go to the emergency room for coverage. In fact, I heard Nancy "the ignorant c*nt" Pelosi say that just yesterday.

The effect of Odumbf*ckCare was that it took those people who were doing the right thing and paying for their own insurance and jacked up their rates so that they are now paying 3-4x's what they were paying and their deductibles are so f*cking high that they can't even f*cking use the damn insurance.

And, those "free riders" (as Odumbf*ck and Pelosi called them) are the Odumbf*ck voters who now get their insurance paid for by the people mentioned above. And, these former "free riders" pay virtually nothing in deductibles and co-pays.

So, basically, Odumbf*ck took the people who were doing the right thing and said, FUCK YOU - YOU NEED TO PAY FOR THE LEECHES THAT VOTE FOR ME TO HAVE FREE INSURANCE.

It's these Odumbf*ck Voters who are benefiting from the Unaffordable Care Act. And, these are the scumbags that the George Soros' of the world pay to create civil unrest. Hence, the reason why there are very little protests.

And, this is why people rightfully refer to this incredble clusterf*ck as nothing more than a MASSIVE redistribution of wealth -- with the health insurance companies being nothing more the IRS in this case.
Posted by udtiger
Over your left shoulder
Member since Nov 2006
98856 posts
Posted on 7/31/17 at 8:42 am to
quote:

which group of Americans is actually suffering. Which demographic, income-level, and social group is carrying the burden


The question answers itself.

Of course the sponges and leeches that benefit from ACA won't be protesting. The people ACA hits are working, trying to pay for their increasing insurance costs, and everyone else's coverage.
Posted by volod
Leesville, LA
Member since Jun 2014
5392 posts
Posted on 7/31/17 at 8:48 am to
quote:

Normal people don't do civil protests. We just sit at home bitch about things and go to work. Then we vote.


What about the Civil Rights Movement. Most of those people had jobs
Posted by Lsupimp
Ersatz Amerika-97.6% phony & fake
Member since Nov 2003
78664 posts
Posted on 7/31/17 at 8:52 am to
The American Productive Class is used to doing the work, bearing the load and footing the bill. $1155 a month to carry around a card in my wallet that has less value than the one I carried around four years ago for $432? Let's see, am I going to engage in street theatre or work harder ? Humana sends me a letter last Thursday saying they are pulling out of the individual market in Louisiana because Obamacare makes their business model unsustainable? Am I going to call BCBS or throw something at a window ? I think all the people that I pay health insurance for are counting on me working harder. That's all the Productive Class can do.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
Simple Solutions to Complex Probs
Member since Jan 2004
422567 posts
Posted on 7/31/17 at 8:53 am to
quote:

What about the Civil Rights Movement. Most of those people had jobs

let's not insult the Civil Rights Movement by comparing it to the discussion about the ACA
Posted by Motorboat
At the camp
Member since Oct 2007
22685 posts
Posted on 7/31/17 at 8:56 am to
quote:

Who is really benefitting from the ACA ?


the only person I've seen benefit from ACA is my buddy with terminal brain cancer. He can no longer work. His premiums are $250/month, which he pays from his SS check. his deductible is $3000, which i have no idea how he pays, yet he meets it almost immediately due to his condition.
Posted by Strannix
District 11
Member since Dec 2012
48931 posts
Posted on 7/31/17 at 8:56 am to
melt
Posted by volod
Leesville, LA
Member since Jun 2014
5392 posts
Posted on 7/31/17 at 8:57 am to
quote:

Of course the sponges and leeches that benefit from ACA won't be protesting. The people ACA hits are working, trying to pay for their increasing insurance costs, and everyone else's coverage.


It is always good to get some clarification.

Personally, I wish ACA would have found another way to fund itself outside of premiums.

Most republicans are actually lower income people, so its not that there is a lack of numbers or possibility that protest could occur. And yet no one is blaming the very rich (500K+) for any of these issues. I think there is some misplaced blame here.

They are in a compromised positon, as many of them actually would see benefits of the ACA. So red states that are poor will contain a big sector of the population that would support aspects of the ACA.

The middle class (I am very reluctant to use working class due to different connotations) is shouldering the cost, despite the fact that they were supposed to benefit the most.
This post was edited on 7/31/17 at 8:58 am
Posted by Eurocat
Member since Apr 2004
15047 posts
Posted on 7/31/17 at 8:58 am to
You are being too harsh. Some people can take care of themselves and others need to be taken care of.
Posted by moneyg
Member since Jun 2006
56532 posts
Posted on 7/31/17 at 8:58 am to
quote:

I know lack of protest does not necessarily equate dissatisfaction, but it is usually an indicator of bad policy that effects millions of Americans.




Dude, are you just oblivious the reversal of elected officials in congress since Obamacare?

The middle class has seen premiums rise and deductibles go through the roof (you failed to mention that).
Posted by volod
Leesville, LA
Member since Jun 2014
5392 posts
Posted on 7/31/17 at 9:01 am to
quote:

melt


Asking a question and making a statement about a normal political consequence is not "melting".

Civil discussion is the best way to understand each other and try to solve problems (if not nationally, at least at a community level)
Posted by volod
Leesville, LA
Member since Jun 2014
5392 posts
Posted on 7/31/17 at 9:08 am to
quote:

The American Productive Class is used to doing the work, bearing the load and footing the bill. $1155 a month to carry around a card in my wallet that has less value than the one I carried around four years ago for $432? Let's see, am I going to engage in street theatre or work harder ? Humana sends me a letter last Thursday saying they are pulling out of the individual market in Louisiana because Obamacare makes their business model unsustainable? Am I going to call BCBS or throw something at a window ? I think all the people that I pay health insurance for are counting on me working harder. That's all the Productive Class can do.


I perfectly understand that. I HATE having to pay for unannounced expenses myself. So for a more permanent expense, that is absolutely terrible.
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