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re: Who here actually believes Russia helped Trump?
Posted on 12/12/16 at 10:26 am to GumboPot
Posted on 12/12/16 at 10:26 am to GumboPot
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I take anyone or any media seriously without proof. There is no proof to the Russian hacking claims. None.
How in the world do you know that there is no proof? You partisan Republicans are such morons. Obviously our intelligence community has proof or they wouldn't have stated it. You just haven't seen it yet.
I never thought I would see the day that you have so-called patriotic Americans minimizing Russian influence in our election process. How far the Republican Party has fallen.
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Posted on 12/12/16 at 10:27 am to JoBoo
quote:whats funny is that you called people morons before typing this gem out
Obviously our intelligence community has proof or they wouldn't have stated it.
Posted on 12/12/16 at 10:28 am to JoBoo
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bviously our intelligence community has proof or they wouldn't have stated it.
Actually, the FBI has said there isn't any proof and that basically the CIA is working on conjecture.
Posted on 12/12/16 at 10:28 am to DelU249
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well then it shouldn't be too difficult to provide some kind of evidence to support this
I would imagine its classified. But I would also guess that the report on it that obama is asking for will be declassified.
We need a full investigation with the investigation results being public. I think it needs to be independent of either obama or trump.
Posted on 12/12/16 at 10:29 am to Hawkeye95
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I would imagine its classified
But you answered yes. Did you do that based on some kind of actual evidence?
Posted on 12/12/16 at 10:30 am to stout
It's so funny to see democrats as being such big believers in the CIA after decades of being the object of their most intense scorn
Posted on 12/12/16 at 10:32 am to Pettifogger
The current President of the United States not only had an opinion regarding BiBi. He sent the Obama GOTV machine TO ISRAEL to campaign against BiBi. But that is somehow okay... because the great powerful Oz Obama did it?
This post was edited on 12/12/16 at 10:33 am
Posted on 12/12/16 at 10:32 am to Pettifogger
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Russia tried to influence election - For sure. Putin underlings went public on Trump being preferable.
Yes...the American electorate made its decision on the recommendations of Russian bureaucrats.
Posted on 12/12/16 at 10:33 am to stout
Even if they did, it still does not change the fact what was in those emails.
It exposed just how corrupt the msm is. They were/are trying to turn the country into a one party state through propaganda. If it takes Russia or whomever it may be exposing what was actually going on, I'm all for it.
Sometimes things are so corrupt that it does take an outside source exposing it because the msm sure as hell isn't since they're complicit. These people are disgusting human beings.
It exposed just how corrupt the msm is. They were/are trying to turn the country into a one party state through propaganda. If it takes Russia or whomever it may be exposing what was actually going on, I'm all for it.
Sometimes things are so corrupt that it does take an outside source exposing it because the msm sure as hell isn't since they're complicit. These people are disgusting human beings.
Posted on 12/12/16 at 10:33 am to udtiger
Frankly, I think Hillary Clinton helped Trump more than anything.
Posted on 12/12/16 at 10:35 am to DelU249
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But you answered yes. Did you do that based on some kind of actual evidence?
Well a security firms identified know who the hackers are COZY BEAR and FANCY BEAR. And they have links to russia.
LINK /
Reality is that most of the large scale hacks come from Russia or China, sometimes Korea. Or anonymous, but anonymous usually claims credit for its work.
Posted on 12/12/16 at 10:36 am to stout
1. There is so much so-called hacking occurring across the entire world which reaches even into the CPU used to record this response and carried out by such divergent entities as individuals, commercial entities, government entities (including the US), and academic entities as to make Alger Hiss seem like third string on the JV team.
2. All the claptrap regarding how Russia fixed the election is massive fake news on a scale that would have made the old USSR-version of Pravada proud.
2. All the claptrap regarding how Russia fixed the election is massive fake news on a scale that would have made the old USSR-version of Pravada proud.
Posted on 12/12/16 at 10:37 am to Hawkeye95
you're speculating, but you posed a question and answered it definitively.
That's not evidence. Now if you wanted to say "I don't know but I trust the people telling me they did" then by all means
That's not evidence. Now if you wanted to say "I don't know but I trust the people telling me they did" then by all means
Posted on 12/12/16 at 10:38 am to DelU249
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Who here actually believes Russia helped Trump?
quote:
you're speculating, but you posed a question and answered it definitively.
Do you even read thread titles bro?
Posted on 12/12/16 at 10:40 am to DelU249
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funny to see democrats as being such big believers in the CIA after decades of being the object of their most intense scorn
Should also be noted that the CIA is an information clearing house, not an investigative body, a la the FBI. It was politically savvy to trot out the DNI, a noted political hack, to make suppositions that could never be verified due to "national security concerns"....Re; Boltons assertions of a possible "false flag".
Posted on 12/12/16 at 10:42 am to Hawkeye95
quote:this is you posing a question of your own and answering it quite definitively
Were those tied to russia involved (some) of the hacks? Yes
But it's ok to admit that you just don't know
Posted on 12/12/16 at 10:47 am to stout
Let's say they were behind the DNC and Podesta hack at this point what difference does it make? Whether is was Russia, China, or some guys that said hey lets go hack some politicians what difference does it make now?
Nothing changes the fact that they were stupid with security and the actual content of the emails from the evil one herself, to her weird campaign manager, and the DNC itself were shady and disturbing.
Nothing changes the fact that they were stupid with security and the actual content of the emails from the evil one herself, to her weird campaign manager, and the DNC itself were shady and disturbing.
This post was edited on 12/12/16 at 10:49 am
Posted on 12/12/16 at 10:49 am to DelU249
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this is you posing a question of your own and answering it quite definitively
But it's ok to admit that you just don't know
I believe they were.
Its not that hard.
Do I have detailed knowledge or proof of this? No. But I have a pretty good idea that they were.
I would really like to see an investigation, and assuming that it doesn't look unduly influenced, I will accept whatever they say.
You do realize I work in technology? And while I am not a hacker or involved in InfoSec at all, one of my best friends is a white hat hacker. Its not like I am clueless on the topic.
I really do wish I would have gone into InfoSec. Its been HOT for my entire career.
Posted on 12/12/16 at 10:49 am to stout
I don't know why Russia would prefer Trump over Hillary. She single-handily blocked the Keystone pipeline which benefitted Russia and OPEC. An energy independent U.S. would severely reduce oil revenues to the above mentioned parties.
Posted on 12/12/16 at 10:51 am to stout
The emails came to WL from inside leaks.
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