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Where is the ACLU on free speech for Ann C.?
Posted on 4/26/17 at 9:46 pm
Posted on 4/26/17 at 9:46 pm
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Posted on 4/26/17 at 9:49 pm to toratiger
She has total freedom of speech. Who has said otherwise? She makes millions speaking.
Posted on 4/26/17 at 9:50 pm to toratiger
uhhh
ACLU National? Verified account @ACLU 5h5 hours ago
The heckler’s veto of Coulter's Berkeley speech is a loss for the 1st Amendment. We must protect speech on campus, even when hateful.
ACLU National? Verified account @ACLU 5h5 hours ago
The heckler’s veto of Coulter's Berkeley speech is a loss for the 1st Amendment. We must protect speech on campus, even when hateful.
Posted on 4/26/17 at 9:54 pm to toratiger
did you even bother to look? It's plastered all over the news and social media
https://www.aclu.org/news/aclu-statement-ann-coulter-speech
https://www.rawstory.com/2017/04/we-must-protect-free-speech-even-when-hateful-aclu-backs-ann-coulters-cancelled-berkeley-speech/
https://www.aclu.org/news/aclu-statement-ann-coulter-speech
https://www.rawstory.com/2017/04/we-must-protect-free-speech-even-when-hateful-aclu-backs-ann-coulters-cancelled-berkeley-speech/
This post was edited on 4/26/17 at 9:57 pm
Posted on 4/26/17 at 9:55 pm to TBoy
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She has total freedom of speech. Who has said otherwise?
ANTIFA has said otherwise.
Posted on 4/26/17 at 9:56 pm to Pettifogger
quote:
ACLU National? Verified account @ACLU 5h5 hours ago
The heckler’s veto of Coulter's Berkeley speech is a loss for the 1st Amendment. We must protect speech on campus, even when hateful.
They just can't help themselves.
Posted on 4/26/17 at 9:56 pm to toratiger
Odd isn't? She was trying to speak to adults, who can control their emotions, to be shut down by adolescence that can't control their emotions. And we let adolescence control the country and the narrative.
Posted on 4/26/17 at 9:57 pm to DownSouthJukin
I mean, they lean left, but credit to ACLU for standing up (at least partially) to the deranged masses on their side. They're taking tons of shite from the freak show left for the audacious statement that college campuses should not engage in effective viewpoint-based censorship.
Posted on 4/26/17 at 10:02 pm to DownSouthJukin
quote:
quote:
ACLU National? Verified account @ACLU 5h5 hours ago
The heckler’s veto of Coulter's Berkeley speech is a loss for the 1st Amendment. We must protect speech on campus, even when hateful.
They just can't help themselves.
Yea that was obviously a shot at her, but it also underscores their point that the most controversial speech needs protecting
Posted on 4/26/17 at 10:14 pm to toratiger
Just curious didnCoulter cancel her speech because of security concerns or because the sponsor who was going to pay her backed out?
Posted on 4/26/17 at 10:22 pm to DawgfaninCa
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ANTIFA has said otherwise.
You do not understand freedom of speech.
Posted on 4/27/17 at 5:21 am to Foy
You do not understand thuggery.
Oh and the aclu said something
Well whoop de doo, I just bet that is all they'd do if some left wing nut got shut down by a mob.
Just another fricking double standard and leftists on the board really want to support the rioters but they lack the guts to say they do
Oh and the aclu said something
Well whoop de doo, I just bet that is all they'd do if some left wing nut got shut down by a mob.
Just another fricking double standard and leftists on the board really want to support the rioters but they lack the guts to say they do
This post was edited on 4/27/17 at 5:43 am
Posted on 4/27/17 at 5:26 am to toratiger
So they sued a hospital for not performing transgender surgery but sent a strongly worded tweet about the first amendment. Nice.
Posted on 4/27/17 at 6:46 am to drexyl
Coulter canceled her own speech. What do you want them to do? You can't sue Berkeley where Coulter "voluntarily" canceled the speech.
Posted on 4/27/17 at 6:49 am to CorporateTiger
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Coulter canceled her own speech. What do you want them to do? You can't sue Berkeley where Coulter "voluntarily" canceled the speech
Well. Ya know. When there are open threats of violence and the government......... The same one that won't let you defend yourself....... says it will stand down and let the violence happen..........
Posted on 4/27/17 at 6:55 am to ShortyRob
That's why I phrased it as "voluntarily." I understand there is more to it, but what relief could the ACLU request in court? "Please make Berkeley put on this speech that Coulter has said she no longer wants to give?"
Legally there just isn't a room for a case unless Coulter is pushing the issue. They stuck up for the NRA and Rush, but only where those groups are pushing the issue.
I love the downvoted when I'm just stating a non-political fact about our legal system.
Legally there just isn't a room for a case unless Coulter is pushing the issue. They stuck up for the NRA and Rush, but only where those groups are pushing the issue.
I love the downvoted when I'm just stating a non-political fact about our legal system.
This post was edited on 4/27/17 at 6:56 am
Posted on 4/27/17 at 6:57 am to CorporateTiger
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That's why I phrased it as "voluntarily." I understand there is more to it, but what relief could the ACLU request in court
Gotcha. I really was off topic and not focused on the ACLU.
That said.
If the KKK started threatening every venue blacks spoke at and the local government response was to tell the black leaders they were on their own......i suspect the ACLU would figure something out
Posted on 4/27/17 at 7:03 am to ShortyRob
If the black leaders pushed it then yeah they could.
Let me get very technical here. To bring a lawsuit, the party bringing the suit must have been harmed. This is called Standing and is required to get relief in federal courts (Standing significantly more complicated, but let's go with this for now). The ACLU in these cases is not the one harmed in their cases. What is actually happening is someone else is bringing suit and the ACLU is bankrolling/supporting the litigation (think Peter Thiel behind Hogan).
In this Coulter would be the one with standing to sue. She puts out a statement and says she is canceling. Now regardless of the reason why she did that, she has undermined her own standing to sue. She is now on the record saying the opposite of "I want to do X and Berkeley/the PD is preventing me from exercising my First Amendment right."
Where she blows up her own chances in court what is the ACLU supposed to do?
Let me get very technical here. To bring a lawsuit, the party bringing the suit must have been harmed. This is called Standing and is required to get relief in federal courts (Standing significantly more complicated, but let's go with this for now). The ACLU in these cases is not the one harmed in their cases. What is actually happening is someone else is bringing suit and the ACLU is bankrolling/supporting the litigation (think Peter Thiel behind Hogan).
In this Coulter would be the one with standing to sue. She puts out a statement and says she is canceling. Now regardless of the reason why she did that, she has undermined her own standing to sue. She is now on the record saying the opposite of "I want to do X and Berkeley/the PD is preventing me from exercising my First Amendment right."
Where she blows up her own chances in court what is the ACLU supposed to do?
Posted on 4/27/17 at 7:08 am to CorporateTiger
quote:oh I suspect tgey would be getting dozens of calls from the ACLU begging to help. I doubt they would have to call the ACLU
he black leaders pushed it then yeah they could
quote:like I said. If local governments told black people that it was up to them to make the call as to whether they were going to protect their supporters because the government was going to stand down you bet your arse that lawyers would be tripping over themselves calling the black people in question.
Where she blows up her own chances in court what is the ACLU supposed to do?
If you're trying to tell me that the ACLU would sit back and not try to make equal protection claims when the government was choosing repeat choosing to not protect a subset of people from violent threats I'm just going to sit here and laugh.
That doesn't even remotely pass the smell test
I mean we really taking the position that the only recourse for blacks in such a situation would be to hold the speech and watch their supporters getting beaten or worse before they can do anything?
This post was edited on 4/27/17 at 7:10 am
Posted on 4/27/17 at 7:14 am to ShortyRob
And let's not even just talk about blacks.
Let's see some governments tell organizers of Gay Pride parades that the police will be standing down if openly threatening violent protesters show up. Let's see what the reaction is if Government basically tells the organizers that is there a call as to what to do. But oh by the way you can't bring your own armed security team
Let's see some governments tell organizers of Gay Pride parades that the police will be standing down if openly threatening violent protesters show up. Let's see what the reaction is if Government basically tells the organizers that is there a call as to what to do. But oh by the way you can't bring your own armed security team
This post was edited on 4/27/17 at 7:15 am
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