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Posted on 3/6/17 at 4:40 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
quote:No. I'm accepting that point and telling you welcome to the modern world.
You're intentionally avoiding the point. The information was illegally obtained.
Unless you can show that Trump paid them to go after her servers, meh.
quote:So, now I'm a hypocrite because of what you THINK I might have done?
Additionally, I'm sure you cried in your pillow every time you thought Clinton benefitted from illegally-obtained information, but now you think it's okay. That would make you a hypocrite.
Yeah. Let's just all pretend no Republican has ever been hit with something that the opposition couldn't possibly have known without acquiring it in non-traditional means. Yeah. Let's just go with that silliness.
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That information was illegally obtained, and if it was shared, or sold, to Trump, I imagine that would be unlawful as well.
Then you can pretty much take it to the bank that every political candidate in the modern era is a criminal.
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You people are behaving like a bunch of liberals over all this. I just can't believe this is what's become of the Republican Party
Nope. I'm just not outraged by the below. Do I like it? Nah. But, it's absolutely rock solid to happen in every election..........ever. I hope you don't plan to be this outraged every time.
1)Foreign government liked one candidate more than the other.
2)Foreign government got info on the one they didn't like.
3)Foreign government used that info.
4)YOU believe that government told candidate they liked.
Here. I'll help you. You just described every election in the modern era.
Posted on 3/6/17 at 4:41 pm to jeff5891
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Link to official FISA warrants of wiretaps?
Are you denying the wiretaps exist again?
Posted on 3/6/17 at 4:42 pm to member12
quote:Why go in circles with someone who is dishonest and whose only real goal is to rope you into chasing him around as he shifts?
Are you denying the wiretaps exist again?
Posted on 3/6/17 at 4:42 pm to Revelator
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Whenever you are a black presindent named Barack Obama, you have a DOJ head named Loretta Lynch, and a media that will never call you out under any circumstances.
Neither will many progressives apparently.
Posted on 3/6/17 at 4:43 pm to ShortyRob
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More importantly, if he were guilty, then that means Obama looked the other way.
And then allowed his buddy to lose an election and thus destroy his "legacy".
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Yet, interestingly, no WildChop outrage on that.
Don't bust his balls too bad. WildChop is probably one of the few lefties here that can actually articulate a valid point.
Posted on 3/6/17 at 4:44 pm to member12
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Are you denying the wiretaps exist again?
They could be wiretaps, orders to monitor a computer, orders to monitor email, ect
You said specifically taps on Trump's phone numerous times.
Link to the FISA order and requests showing specifically wiretaps?
This post was edited on 3/6/17 at 4:45 pm
Posted on 3/6/17 at 4:44 pm to ShortyRob
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Why go in circles with someone who is dishonest and whose only real goal is to rope you into chasing him around as he shifts?
Yeah I'm done with that. Denial that wiretaps exist, then attempt to justify them, then denial that they exist again.
Hard to keep track of the official Democratic party shill's stance on Obamagate wiretaps. It seems to change every hour.
Posted on 3/6/17 at 4:45 pm to member12
Yea bc you can't link and constantly made a fallacy by assertion.
There isn't any info out and yet you still maintain that it is a fact.
There isn't any info out and yet you still maintain that it is a fact.
This post was edited on 3/6/17 at 4:47 pm
Posted on 3/6/17 at 4:45 pm to ShortyRob
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2)Foreign government got info on the one they didn't like.
Do we even have evidence of this?
And how does it justify wiretaps at the Trump campaign?
Posted on 3/6/17 at 4:47 pm to member12
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Do we even have evidence of this?
Oh the hypocrisy.
Posted on 3/6/17 at 4:48 pm to Revelator
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Whenever you are a black presindent named Barack Obama, you have a DOJ head named Loretta Lynch, and a media that will never call you out under any circumstances.
How the frick do they not ask questions about potential abuses when a leading candidate's campaign had wiretaps?
Posted on 3/6/17 at 4:48 pm to member12
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Do we even have evidence of this? And how does it justify wiretaps at the Trump campaign
None provided.
But, I'm just going with what he believes to be true.
Even if it were, what's his point?
Cause the following is ALWAYS true EVERY election. Hell, it's true about BOTH candidates in EVERY election!
Again, you like to phrase it in scary terms but here's all you REALLY are saying.
1)Foreign government liked one candidate more than the other.
2)Foreign government got info on the one they didn't like.
3)Foreign government used that info.
4)YOU believe that government told candidate they liked.
Here. I'll help you. You just described every election in the modern era.
Posted on 3/6/17 at 4:50 pm to dewster
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What did they hack? The DNC? How is that a national security issue?
Wikileaks released the DNC hack during the convention.
That may be what he's talking about, but he's clearly wrong.
Posted on 3/6/17 at 4:53 pm to EZE Tiger Fan
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Don't bust his balls too bad. WildChop is probably one of the few lefties here that can actually articulate a valid point.
I agree, but he fell a little short in this case. Chalk it up to a misunderstanding for now.
Posted on 3/6/17 at 5:00 pm to ShortyRob
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Here. I'll help you. You just described every election in the modern era.
But with one administration wiretapping the opposition....
Posted on 3/6/17 at 5:07 pm to member12
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You aren't suspicious of one campaign spying on the other
Sure I am, where have I said otherwise?
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but you accuse those that are of willful ignorance?
Only if they are willfully ignoring the potential for evidence to surface that indicts Trump.
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Then you throw out a bunch of hypothetical scenarios
It's ALL hypothetical at this point, until we see the evidence, or lack thereof.
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as justification for outrage
Believe me, I've been on the board long enough to have seen outrage directed at Obama for far less. It smacks of hypocrisy.
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unsubstantiated accusation that the Trump campaign illegally obtained information
Apparently the FISA court deemed it to be substantial enough to issue a warrant. I'm not sorry that concerns me, but I am sorry that doesn't concern you.
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What a load of bullshite.
You're going to have to separate yourself from an obvious assumption on your part...
I never supported Hillary Clinton for President, neither actively by voting, nor even passively by advocating for her to be president. I challenge you to prove otherwise.
I think once you do that, you may see that, imo, this has nothing to do with Clinton, but only what looks like foreign interference in our internal affairs. If you're okay with that, I'm sorry for that too. I'm not okay with it, so I want to see where this leads.
Posted on 3/6/17 at 5:23 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
quote:you keep repeating this stupidity. Are you seriously trying to act like foreign influence of Elections is unusual here or anywhere else in the world? Are you seriously trying to tell me that you can even conceptualize of how this wouldn't be the case going forward? Are you seriously telling me that you think this time is an unusual circumstance? There's a difference between being okay with something and just recognizing it as reality.
but only what looks like foreign interference in our internal affairs. If you're okay with that, I'm sorry for that too. I'm not okay with it, so I want to see where this leads.
I don't know if you've noticed this or not but those cool lines that you see on a globe around countries. They're not really there. The United States is the most powerful country in the world. This means that people from all over the world are interested in and sometimes have a preference for candidates in our elections. This means they are all going to behave exactly as partisans in our own Country behave. How would the actual f*** do you not get this?
Posted on 3/6/17 at 5:26 pm to ShortyRob
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I don't know if you've noticed this or not but those cool lines that you see on a globe around countries. They're not really there.
We're supposedly building a wall on top of a portion of one.
Posted on 3/6/17 at 5:31 pm to ShortyRob
quote:Right. And when they get caught, we should use the situation to our advantage and assess whatever price we prudently can. And if anyone in our country was in collusion, they should be help accountable.
you keep repeating this stupidity. Are you seriously trying to act like foreign influence of Elections is unusual here or anywhere else in the world? Are you seriously trying to tell me that you can even conceptualize of how this wouldn't be the case going forward? Are you seriously telling me that you think this time is an unusual circumstance? There's a difference between being okay with something and just recognizing it as reality.
I don't know if you've noticed this or not but those cool lines that you see on a globe around countries. They're not really there. The United States is the most powerful country in the world. This means that people from all over the world are interested in and sometimes have a preference for candidates in our elections. This means they are all going to behave exactly as partisans in our own Country behave. How would the actual f*** do you not get this?
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