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What would you want to replace Department of Education with
Posted on 2/15/17 at 12:10 pm
Posted on 2/15/17 at 12:10 pm
I understand alot of you want to stop federal involvement in education.
I honestly want your thoughts on what would be better. Many of you prefer state controlled education.
However, couldn't that also backfire. 50 different metrics for what constitutes an appropriate education could lead to fierce imbalance.
I'm talking aboutique K to 12 education. I know alot of you may have had quality high school programs, but honestly im glad my school at least had federal rules to follow (to make school somewhat challenging).
I'm open to hearing your ideas, I really want a different perspective.
ETA. Let me add this, how exactly was the old system better. I was a 90s kid, so I may need a refresher.
I honestly want your thoughts on what would be better. Many of you prefer state controlled education.
However, couldn't that also backfire. 50 different metrics for what constitutes an appropriate education could lead to fierce imbalance.
I'm talking aboutique K to 12 education. I know alot of you may have had quality high school programs, but honestly im glad my school at least had federal rules to follow (to make school somewhat challenging).
I'm open to hearing your ideas, I really want a different perspective.
ETA. Let me add this, how exactly was the old system better. I was a 90s kid, so I may need a refresher.
This post was edited on 2/15/17 at 12:19 pm
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Posted on 2/15/17 at 12:11 pm to volod
Nothing at the federal level, state and locals stepping up their game.
Posted on 2/15/17 at 12:11 pm to volod
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However, couldn't that also backfire. 50 different metrics for what constitutes an appropriate education could lead to fierce imbalance.
Because the education clowns in the fedgov are doing a fricking bang-up job
This post was edited on 2/15/17 at 12:13 pm
Posted on 2/15/17 at 12:12 pm to volod
Nothing, "Ignorance is Strength".
Posted on 2/15/17 at 12:13 pm to kingbob
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Nothing at the federal level, state and locals stepping up their game.
We have a winner
Posted on 2/15/17 at 12:13 pm to volod
Considering that the Department of Education oversees and manages billions of dollars of federally guaranteed student loans and billions more of educational grants and programs, I'd prefer that a Department be created which focuses solely on those federal educational programs. Perhaps we can call it Department of Educational Programs.
Posted on 2/15/17 at 12:13 pm to volod
It doesn't need to be replaced with anything. Kids were still able to get an education before it existed.
Posted on 2/15/17 at 12:14 pm to volod
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What would you want to replace Department of Education with
A parking lot. I hear parking in DC is really bad.
Posted on 2/15/17 at 12:14 pm to TBoy
Alabama football?
Posted on 2/15/17 at 12:14 pm to CptBengal
You do realize that is a graph from 15 year olds in Australia?
You changed graphs. Any more "alternative facts".
You changed graphs. Any more "alternative facts".
This post was edited on 2/15/17 at 12:16 pm
Posted on 2/15/17 at 12:15 pm to volod
I think public K-12 education should cease to exist.
Posted on 2/15/17 at 12:16 pm to volod
quote:
I understand alot of you want to stop federal involvement in education.
The words "school" and "education" appear nowhere in the text of the constitution or any amendment.
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I honestly want your thoughts on what would be better.
Block grants to the states.
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However, couldn't that also backfire.
Then you don't believe in our system. Change it.
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50 different metrics for what constitutes an appropriate education could lead to fierce imbalance.
And this is used as justification to federalize everything (along with the commerce clause). It isn't efficient, prudent or constitutional to federalize everything. Education, most criminal law and family law are within the purview of the states under our system. Federal overreach notwithstanding, local authorities are always more responsive/answerable to local needs and situations.
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I'm open to hearing your ideas, I really want a different perspective.
I want to believe you - but I'm not optimistic. I believe you just want to poke holes into anything other than a Federal leviathan. Prove me wrong.
This post was edited on 2/15/17 at 12:18 pm
Posted on 2/15/17 at 12:16 pm to Brosef Stalin
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It doesn't need to be replaced with anything. Kids were still able to get an education before it existed.
The kicker is adjusted for inflation we're spending over double per student today than we did in the 60s and to add insult to injury, nothing to show for it.
Posted on 2/15/17 at 12:17 pm to volod
Refer me to the section of the US Constitution, as amended, that gives the Federal Govt any power over education, and we can start the discussion there.
I'll wait.
I'll wait.
This post was edited on 2/15/17 at 12:18 pm
Posted on 2/15/17 at 12:20 pm to Kino74
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and to add insult to injury, nothing to show for it.
We've actually shown retrenchment at a greater cost - even worse insult to injury.
All we did without a federal Dept. of Education:
1. Build the greatest economy in history
2. Build the greatest military force in history
3. Win 2 World Wars
4. Conquer gravity
5. Harnass the atom
6. Go to the fricking moon
Since the federal DoE?
Some nice biotech stuff has happened. We learned how to scare really easily and lose/draw wars.
Posted on 2/15/17 at 12:21 pm to volod
The federal government is not that involved in education in the first place, although much of NCLB made this a bit more complicated since mandated things but left the process to achieve then up to the states and local districts.
So it's not really a very necessary department overall, but they do wrote things that are law (special education) so somebody had to pick that up.
I think people on here underrate the extent of local and state control.
So it's not really a very necessary department overall, but they do wrote things that are law (special education) so somebody had to pick that up.
I think people on here underrate the extent of local and state control.
Posted on 2/15/17 at 12:26 pm to buckeye_vol
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So it's not really a very necessary department overall
So, you agree it's probably wasteful and duplicative and can easily be disposed of and the functions go elsewhere - let the states coordinate student loans through lenders, block grants to help with costs and save a lot of money that way?
Posted on 2/15/17 at 12:26 pm to buckeye_vol
Wasteful and very poor results. No need for it.
Posted on 2/15/17 at 12:26 pm to volod
Posted on 2/15/17 at 12:30 pm to Ace Midnight
quote:Yes, but I wish we had a person in charge who appeared more competent in doing that, or anything else.
So, you agree it's probably wasteful and duplicative and can easily be disposed of and the functions go elsewhere
quote:I wish the government was out of the student loan business altogether.
let the states coordinate student loans through lenders, block grants to help with costs and save a lot of money that way?
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