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What is your opinion of Indian reservations?
Posted on 1/26/14 at 3:20 pm
Posted on 1/26/14 at 3:20 pm
From what I've read on Wikipedia, there are about 2.5 million "Native Americans" in the United States. 1 million of them live on reservations. The reservations take up over 55 million acres of land.
They're not living in Teepees and hunting buffalo anymore. I understand most of them live somewhat normal lives in houses with TVs and shite. Do they need all that land? Should they possess it in perpetuity because their ancestors lived there? I know they got a really raw deal from us, to put it mildly, but are we gonna keep this going forever, or are we gonna treat them like everyone else at some point? Somewhat serious question.
They're not living in Teepees and hunting buffalo anymore. I understand most of them live somewhat normal lives in houses with TVs and shite. Do they need all that land? Should they possess it in perpetuity because their ancestors lived there? I know they got a really raw deal from us, to put it mildly, but are we gonna keep this going forever, or are we gonna treat them like everyone else at some point? Somewhat serious question.
This post was edited on 1/26/14 at 3:22 pm
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Posted on 1/26/14 at 3:22 pm to Zed
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What is your opinon of Indian reservations?
the reservation that I visited is just a town. I do like their tobacco prices though.
Posted on 1/26/14 at 3:23 pm to Zed
All natives would be better off with the same agreement as the natives in Alaska. There's only one reservation, and most still live in traditional villages. They also were given 40 million acres of land to create business with.
ANCSA
Some of these corporations have wealth. There are village and regional corporations
ANCSA
Some of these corporations have wealth. There are village and regional corporations
This post was edited on 1/26/14 at 3:28 pm
Posted on 1/26/14 at 3:23 pm to Zed
Well, we screwed them over so massively, I think that we could give them the Plains states and probably call it even.
America should have just taken the land from the beginning and told them that if they wanted to stop us, they could, but other than that, get out. At least then, we would have been honest conquerors. The problem was that we kept pushing them to land we didn't want - until we wanted it. Then, we lied some more.
So, we were murderers, theives, AND liars.
Now, you want the reservations too?
Hey, why doesn't England just take all of Ireland and run off all of the Irish? Because they can, and stuff?
Geez, man. Know your history. either conquer and be honest about it or stick to your treaties/agreements.
America has never made a treaty with Indians that we didn't break.
America should have just taken the land from the beginning and told them that if they wanted to stop us, they could, but other than that, get out. At least then, we would have been honest conquerors. The problem was that we kept pushing them to land we didn't want - until we wanted it. Then, we lied some more.
So, we were murderers, theives, AND liars.
Now, you want the reservations too?
Hey, why doesn't England just take all of Ireland and run off all of the Irish? Because they can, and stuff?
Geez, man. Know your history. either conquer and be honest about it or stick to your treaties/agreements.
America has never made a treaty with Indians that we didn't break.
Posted on 1/26/14 at 3:24 pm to Zed
Most of that land was considered "worthless" at the time, which is why they ended up there. If they ever find anything of economic value, I'm sure the Euro-American interlopers will find some excuse to take that away from them, too.
Posted on 1/26/14 at 3:25 pm to AlaTiger
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Well, we screwed them over so massively
i really do hate this narrative
has any other conquering people ever been accused of "screwing over" the conquered like Americans have with natives?
Posted on 1/26/14 at 3:26 pm to Zed
Pine Ridge used to be my client. It was squalid. Sub-standard everything and absolute poverty and despair. I met some great people there, but it wore me out emotionally. A woman there told me they had the highest percentage per capita of wheelchair-users in the world,(never verified her tale) due to drunkenness and substandard roads and the subsequent accidents.
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Pine Ridge Reservation, located in South Dakota, is home to the Oglala Sioux Tribe and is 2,000,000 acres large with an estimated population of close to 40,000. The reservation is large, and its needs immense, commensurate with grinding poverty. Unemployment is over 80%, the weather is extreme, and families struggle mightily with crushing financial, housing, health, educational and social issues
Posted on 1/26/14 at 3:28 pm to RogerTheShrubber
quote:Just seems like bullshite to me. I know a lot of it is crap land though.
They also were given 40 million acres of land to create business with.
Posted on 1/26/14 at 3:29 pm to Zed
I don't mind them having the land. I just thing at some boomy we need to do away with the Department of of Indian Affairs or whatever name is used and let them live under a normal situation like the rest of us. The separate funding of hospitals and schools, etc cost a fortune
Posted on 1/26/14 at 3:29 pm to Zed
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Just seems like bullshite to me. I know a lot of it is crap land though.
In Alaska? It's not. In fact, the only logging going on is on prime, old growth forest which was selected by native groups. They pretty much got to choose the land they wanted.
Some of these corporations have become wealthy with timber concerns. Others are involved in mining, oil and gas, etc.
They were also given millions of dollars.as part of the settlement.
Posted on 1/26/14 at 3:30 pm to Zed
modern reservations are places of abject poverty and despair due to our federal government keeping them desperate and entitled.
Posted on 1/26/14 at 3:31 pm to AlaTiger
quote:I think the reservations were suitable for the time when they were created, but they've had time assimilate. Seems like the reservations just hold them back, and set them aside as some "other."
Now, you want the reservations too?
Posted on 1/26/14 at 3:32 pm to SlowFlowPro
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really do hate this narrative has any other conquering people ever been accused of "screwing over" the conquered like Americans have with natives?
You should read over the rest of my post. I pretty much explained what I meant and said that if you are going to conquer, then conquer. We were a bunch of passive-aggressive liars and manipulators. That is why we screwed them over.
Posted on 1/26/14 at 3:33 pm to kingbob
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modern reservations are places of abject poverty and despair due to our federal government keeping them desperate and entitled.
this and the differences in how natives metabolize alcohol
Posted on 1/26/14 at 3:33 pm to AlaTiger
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We were a bunch of passive-aggressive liars and manipulators.
so we should have just killed them all and that would be better?
Posted on 1/26/14 at 3:35 pm to notiger1997
quote:This I could agree with. Whatever their claim to land may be, separate legal and financial treatment is silly. I just think at some point we have to spot treating them as a separate aggrieved population apart from the mainstream.
I don't mind them having the land. I just thing at some boomy we need to do away with the Department of of Indian Affairs or whatever name is used and let them live under a normal situation like the rest of us. The separate funding of hospitals and schools, etc cost a fortune
Posted on 1/26/14 at 3:36 pm to SlowFlowPro
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this and the differences in how natives metabolize alcohol
You, Darwin and human physiology are racist.
Posted on 1/26/14 at 3:37 pm to Zed
Haven't we taken enough of their land?
Posted on 1/26/14 at 3:37 pm to RogerTheShrubber
quote:Yeah, I'm sure the land in Alaska is prime, I was referring to all the land in the desert and what not. Sounds like the Alaskan Natives have it pretty good, relatively speaking.
In Alaska? It's not. In fact, the only logging going on is on prime, old growth forest which was selected by native groups. They pretty much got to choose the land they wanted.
Posted on 1/26/14 at 3:38 pm to Zed
Relentlessly depressing.
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