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What is the difference between Putin/Ukraine and Bush/Iraq?

Posted on 3/19/22 at 9:52 pm
Posted by Linoge
Member since Jun 2013
1679 posts
Posted on 3/19/22 at 9:52 pm
This question has yet to be answered in a satisfactory manner. Actually, the media has done their best to play it down and not answer it at all.

Putin invaded Ukraine to protect his country's borders from an encroaching NATO. He used killing Nazis as an excuse but that was just a cover. War is ongoing but several thousand have died so far.

Bush invaded Iraq cause of oil and his Daddy issues. He used Weapons of Mass Destructions and AL Qaeda as excuses. After an exhaustive search, no WMDs were ever found. Also, it was determined that there was never any link between Saddam and Bin Laden. The Iraq war cost hundreds of thousands of lives. Some estimates have the death toll over a million when factoring the insurgency and other violence.

Bush never faced justice for this war crime. He was heavily criticized domestically until the 2008 election. After Obama won, the media started portraying Bush as misunderstood. Today he is looked at as a kindly grandfather figure who opposed the evil Trump.

Meanwhile, Putin is being portrayed as the new Hitler by the world media. Even though the scale of death and destruction in Ukraine does not even approach what the kindly grandfather did in Iraq. Even if the war rages on for years I do not see it approaching Iraq levels of casualties.

So, why does Bush get a pass while Putin is crucified?

Which country had a better rationale for invading another sovereign nation?


Posted by SixthAndBarone
Member since Jan 2019
8197 posts
Posted on 3/19/22 at 9:52 pm to
Ukraine isn’t ruled by Sadam.
Posted by td01241
Savannah
Member since Nov 2012
22848 posts
Posted on 3/19/22 at 9:55 pm to
Bush was smart enough to fabricate enough stuff to garner the international support he needed and Putin wasn’t.
Posted by millerf43
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2019
457 posts
Posted on 3/19/22 at 9:57 pm to
We know with 100% certainty that Bush is a POS war criminal... Putin's "war criminal" status has not been proven beyond a reasonable doubt.
Posted by omegaman66
greenwell springs
Member since Oct 2007
22780 posts
Posted on 3/19/22 at 9:58 pm to
But, but, but....
Posted by aubie101
Russia
Member since Nov 2010
3091 posts
Posted on 3/19/22 at 9:59 pm to
Marketing, that is the difference, and at this time about 200,000-500,000 deaths.
Posted by flyAU
Scottsdale
Member since Dec 2010
24849 posts
Posted on 3/19/22 at 10:00 pm to
Putins troops are getting massacred. He is an idiot. Well so is W but at least it wasn’t a Turkey shoot.
Posted by davyjones
NELA
Member since Feb 2019
30112 posts
Posted on 3/19/22 at 10:00 pm to
2 wrongs don’t make a right baw
Posted by Dominus5150
Member since Aug 2020
357 posts
Posted on 3/19/22 at 10:02 pm to
The difference is Putin is justified
Posted by Toomer Deplorable
Team Bitter Clinger
Member since May 2020
17733 posts
Posted on 3/19/22 at 10:04 pm to
quote:

Ukraine isn’t ruled by Sadam.


Iraq’s Ba'ath Party seized political control because of a CIA sponsored coup. Saddam, an exceptionally gifted and ruthless strongman, soon rose to prominence in the party. The rest, as they say, is history:

This post was edited on 3/19/22 at 10:09 pm
Posted by 14&Counting
Eugene, OR
Member since Jul 2012
37632 posts
Posted on 3/19/22 at 10:05 pm to
quote:

Bush was smart enough to fabricate enough stuff to garner the international support he needed and Putin wasn’t.




This.....even the Chinese are backing away from Putin.
Posted by davyjones
NELA
Member since Feb 2019
30112 posts
Posted on 3/19/22 at 10:05 pm to
He may’ve been justified in doing something, but I’m not so sure about this exact approach. Honestly I guess I’m still in shock he even did it. I think we all are because we should all be quite a bit more offended by the actions. What would Reagan have thought of it?
Posted by AndyJ
Member since Jul 2008
2755 posts
Posted on 3/19/22 at 10:06 pm to
You’re probably worthless outside of TD
Posted by millerf43
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2019
457 posts
Posted on 3/19/22 at 10:28 pm to
Thank you for recognizing my worth on TD
Posted by shinerfan
Duckworld(Earth-616)
Member since Sep 2009
22322 posts
Posted on 3/19/22 at 10:30 pm to
Bush had UN Security Council Resolution 678 authorizing military force against Iraq. Bush' actions may have been unwise but they were 100% legal. There is no argument otherwise.
Posted by thebigmuffaletta
Member since Aug 2017
12936 posts
Posted on 3/19/22 at 10:32 pm to
quote:

Bush' actions may have been unwise but they were 100% legal


By whose legal standards?
Posted by GnashRebel
Member since May 2015
8179 posts
Posted on 3/19/22 at 10:32 pm to
I’m not here to defend the invasion of Iraq.

1. Sadaam had invaded Kuwait in the past. He also mass murderer his own people. To my knowledge Ukrainians have not invaded anyone and haven’t mass murdered their own people. Sadaam reaped what he had sown for years though it may not have been worth it.

2. Our goal, possibly misguided, was remove the leadership then get the heck out of there. Putin’s intention is to dominate Ukraine forever.

Posted by BigJim
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2010
14496 posts
Posted on 3/19/22 at 10:33 pm to
No Putin apologists on this board…
Posted by shinerfan
Duckworld(Earth-616)
Member since Sep 2009
22322 posts
Posted on 3/19/22 at 10:34 pm to
quote:

Bush' actions may have been unwise but they were 100% legal


By whose legal standards?







The United Nations and the US Senate.
Posted by Bayoutigre
29.9N 92.1W
Member since Feb 2007
5621 posts
Posted on 3/19/22 at 10:39 pm to
the difference is Putin has a legit objective,Bush`s goal was to remove Sadam from power ,plunder his gold,because he refused to join the banking cartel and sell oil for other than the dollar doing so with the excuse of him having WMD`s
This post was edited on 3/19/22 at 10:42 pm
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