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What does firing Comey have to do with stopping the Russian investigation?
Posted on 6/10/17 at 1:52 pm
Posted on 6/10/17 at 1:52 pm
Seriously, is he a one man army? So Trump never ordered anyone to stop anything. But Comey says that Trumped fired him to stop the investigation. This just doesn't make sense.
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Posted on 6/10/17 at 1:53 pm to rickyh
Yeah, even Comey said it wouldn't do anything...
Posted on 6/10/17 at 1:54 pm to rickyh
It will have no effect. Even Coward Comey admits this.
But it did eliminate a high ranking leaker!
But it did eliminate a high ranking leaker!
Posted on 6/10/17 at 1:56 pm to rickyh
Gives the president the ability to hire a yes man. Intimidates others in the FBI that if they persue too much, they can be fired. Sends a message. Lots of things, really.
Posted on 6/10/17 at 1:56 pm to WaveHog
Maybe the FBI needs a conservative leading them
Posted on 6/10/17 at 1:58 pm to rickyh
Absolutely nothing. It is just part of their ignorance latching on to anything to frick with DJT.
Posted on 6/10/17 at 2:04 pm to rickyh
What matters is that Trump believed it to be true if the issue is obstruction. If he believed firing Comey would hamper the investigation and that was a motivating factor.
"To build a criminal obstruction of justice case, federal law requires prosecutors to show that a person acted with "corrupt" intent. It does not matter whether the person succeeds in impeding an investigation."
Which it can be argued he likely did.
He told NBC Russia was a motivation for the firing and he told the Russians in that meeting that the firing relieved pressure. Which is why the context of that Oval Office meeting is so important. If it is argued that Trump spoke in a way it was reasonably conceived to be as an order. If the reports that he also asked key people in other intelligence departments to try and push back on the Flynn investigation, and then he fired Comey in an effort that he believed to have relieved some pressure from the investigation, then it's pretty clear cut evidence of obstruction. Is it sufficient to prosecute a case? Not sure. Probably not since sitting presidents can't really be tried criminally. But politically? The bar is broad and low by design anyways.
"To build a criminal obstruction of justice case, federal law requires prosecutors to show that a person acted with "corrupt" intent. It does not matter whether the person succeeds in impeding an investigation."
Which it can be argued he likely did.
He told NBC Russia was a motivation for the firing and he told the Russians in that meeting that the firing relieved pressure. Which is why the context of that Oval Office meeting is so important. If it is argued that Trump spoke in a way it was reasonably conceived to be as an order. If the reports that he also asked key people in other intelligence departments to try and push back on the Flynn investigation, and then he fired Comey in an effort that he believed to have relieved some pressure from the investigation, then it's pretty clear cut evidence of obstruction. Is it sufficient to prosecute a case? Not sure. Probably not since sitting presidents can't really be tried criminally. But politically? The bar is broad and low by design anyways.
Posted on 6/10/17 at 2:10 pm to rickyh
The child who fired him didn't know that.
Posted on 6/10/17 at 2:19 pm to rickyh
quote:He stated immediately after saying that his termination wouldn't have impacted the investigation at all
But Comey says that Trumped fired him to stop the investigation. This just doesn't make sense.
Posted on 6/10/17 at 2:19 pm to rickyh
quote:He didn't say this directly. He basically said he was fired for not explicitly telling the American people that the President wasn't under investigation when his name was being dragged through the mud by the media/leakers/DNC. IMO that is a completely valid reason to fire him. Comey created the situation where the American people assumed that Comey was supposed to be giving them updates. He didn't want to say that the President was in the clear because he was being a politician and using that as leverage for job security. This is further supported by his use of the memo just in case Trump ever turned on him. Basically Comey got punked wandering around the swamp.
But Comey says that Trumped fired him to stop the investigation.
This post was edited on 6/10/17 at 2:21 pm
Posted on 6/10/17 at 2:21 pm to WaveHog
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Gives the president the ability to hire a yes man
No, it does not.
Posted on 6/10/17 at 2:25 pm to bonhoeffer45
quote:There is that word again.
intent.
quote:Hmm...
reasonably conceived
quote:Sauces
If the reports that he also asked key people in other intelligence departments to try and push back on the Flynn investigation
This post was edited on 6/10/17 at 2:26 pm
Posted on 6/10/17 at 2:39 pm to Jbird
Source? We had a 90 post thread on it(2 of them) and they spoke in front of congress the day before Comey testified.
Perhaps spend less time signaling your ignorance on the subject and more time actually reading up on the news you want to give an opinion about?
Perhaps spend less time signaling your ignorance on the subject and more time actually reading up on the news you want to give an opinion about?
Posted on 6/10/17 at 2:40 pm to bonhoeffer45
quote:Well aren't we the little douche.
Perhaps spend less time signaling your ignorance on the subject and more time actually reading up on the news you want to give an opinion about?
Posted on 6/10/17 at 2:41 pm to Jbird
Low effort posts deserve low effort responses.
Posted on 6/10/17 at 2:41 pm to bonhoeffer45
quote:Did I show intent?
Low effort posts deserve low effort responses.
Posted on 6/10/17 at 2:43 pm to Jbird
Intent to remain looking ignorant it would seem.
Posted on 6/10/17 at 2:45 pm to bonhoeffer45
quote:
What matters is that Trump believed it to be true if the issue is obstruction. If he believed firing Comey would hamper the investigation and that was a motivating factor.
so now a hypothetical is "obstruction". Despearate. Posted on 6/10/17 at 2:45 pm to bonhoeffer45
quote:
Intent to remain looking ignorant it would seem.
That really hurts.Posted on 6/10/17 at 2:48 pm to Taxing Authority
It's all about the feels, Comey "felt" something and didn't act on it. He was directly told to do something impacting his investigation of Hillionaire and he did it pronto.
But it's about feels, like if Trump felt his message was received.
But it's about feels, like if Trump felt his message was received.
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