What did the cdc director wore versus what he recommended be worn by workers...

You're linking general PPE instructions for infectious diseases on how to put the PPE on properly, not what the recommendations are for Ebola.

That's here:

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The U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention recommends health care workers treating Ebola patients adhere to the agency's Recommended Standard, Contact and Droplet Precautions, he explained. This ensemble includes two layers of gloves, a liquid-impervious surgical gown and boots, hair covering, mask and face shield. In most instances, the CDC recommends health care workers replace the basic surgical mask with a more protective N95 particulate respirator. This disposable filter forms a tight-fitting shield over the nose and mouth, and screens out 95 percent of airborne pathogen particles that are greater than 0.3 microns in size.

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Always good at the top.

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The U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention recommends health care workers treating Ebola patients adhere to the agency's Recommended Standard, Contact and Droplet Precautions, he explained. This ensemble includes two layers of gloves, a liquid-impervious surgical gown and boots, hair covering, mask and face shield. In most instances, the CDC recommends health care workers replace the basic surgical mask with a more protective N95 particulate respirator. This disposable filter forms a tight-fitting shield over the nose and mouth, and screens out 95 percent of airborne pathogen particles that are greater than 0.3 microns in size.

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The devil is in the details.

They are saying exposed skin is ok. You wear hair covering, face shield and gown. What you need is gown, boots, gloves, n95, and hood.

That hood and goggles are the important thing.

That hood not being needed to be worn allows active virus to sit on you a while where it is infectious.

When dealing with a ebola patient when he is most infectious, this is what is needed.

When taking care of someone who is asymptomatic and not shedding much then perhaps you could get by with the cdcs recs.

This really is stupid VB. Look at what he wore and read what is recommended.

The hood makes a huge difference.

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You're saying what it says. It says boots, liquid impervious boots and gown, respirator, hair covering, two level gloves. It says face covering in addition to the mask and you have the respirator. Read.

If any skin is exposed it's no more harmful for transmission than the PPE because if it's transferred one way it can be transferred the other (meaning someone touching a droplet and then his/her eye or mouth) it won't penetrate the slight bit of neck that may be exposed.

If it will sit on your skin it will sit on whatever PPE you're wearing.

The cartoon is NOT what they recommend. Read your own link. That's the procedure to out on PPE. Not a specific PPE

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Jesus you are dense.

I know it won't penetrate the skin. But the virus will still be active on the skin.

And that is correct, if will also sit on PPE that you are wearing.

Of course.

That is what I am saying and I hate to say idiot, but idiot.

You take off your PPE and the virus goes with it.

You have exposed neck, and get viral particles on it, you take off ppe, and you still have active viral particles. You go off and do your thing. Fifteen minutes later, you rub your neck and then rub your face and bam, you are infected.

And this is a deadly virus. This is not something to be fooling around with.

Do you see how freaking MSF deals with this thing? Do you see exposed neck? Everything that can get covered with viral particles is covered. Everything is sprayed with chlorinated spray to inactivate virus.

That is a huge thing and that is my freaking point. Stop harping on the freaking picture. Add a freaking hair thing and you have their recommendation leaving lots of skin exposed.

And I am sorry, that virus is active and can be carried. You actually don't need to immerse your head in vomit to catch it. You get coughed on and it gets on your exposed neck. You take off your PPE, hair gear, gloves and follow everything well. You walk around for a few minutes rub your neck. You walk a bit and then your eye gets itchy and you rub your eye. Do you see the problem?

Do you know what the CDC says?

Ebola can remain active for up to six days under perfect conditions.

Normally it is probably a couple of hours.

Do, you get saliva on your neck when close when patient coughs, that stuff will remain active for a couple of hours.

That means that person is now infectious for a couple of hours. He or she walks out and someone gives them a neck rub because they were stressed and bam, them could get it.

Do you know how often you touch your face a day without knowing it?

Please, please, please read what I am saying and understand. I understand that the freaking picture is not exactly what they recommended, but it really is very freaking close.

And the exposed skin thing which you gloss over is freaking huge. Do you see what people who actually deal with the virus are wearing and doing? They deal with it on a daily basis.

The deal simply is this. If it was the flu, sure. Chances are you will be fine. You don't want to get sick, but its not that big of a deal.

Ebola is a big deal.

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"There is concern among health care providers about whether or not this particular ensemble is sufficient in protecting them against Ebola exposure," said Reilly as he demonstrated the "donning and doffing" procedures for standard PPE with his colleague, Jared Shapiro. "One of the limitations is some skin exposure -- back of his neck, collar of his shirt, hair -- potential routes of splash or inadvertent aerosolization of infectious material could come in contact with him."

This is why Ebola clinics in West Africa and high-containment medical facilities such as Emory University Hospital in Atlanta -- where two American missionaries were successfully treated for Ebola and where Texas nurse Amber Vinson was transferred on Thursday -- have opted for what Reilly calls "enhanced precautions for high-risk health care workers."

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That is the magical difference. No skin exposed.

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And one cracked fingernail cuticle would be all it takes.

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it would take more than a cracked finger nail cuticle but an open cut like a paper cut that drew blood maybe

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it would take more than a cracked finger nail cuticle but an open cut like a paper cut that drew blood maybe

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you can inhale aerosolized particles and become infected - CIDRAP

new recommendations are what CDC director wore