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re: What amazes me about the abortion issue....
Posted on 4/11/24 at 11:55 am to DisplacedBuckeye
Posted on 4/11/24 at 11:55 am to DisplacedBuckeye
quote:Yes, that was a promise God made to a certain people at a certain time in history for a certain purpose. That isn't a promise that any fight against evil is going to be met with certain immediate and temporal success. We are also told to count the cost of the endeavor we are going to apply ourselves toward (Luke 14:28) and not to tempt the Lord (Matt. 4:7), as well.
"When you go out to war against your enemies and see horses, chariots, and an enemy larger than yours, do not be afraid of them, for the Lord your God, who brought you of the land of Egypt, is with you."
quote:While there are are potentially multiple implications depending on what people are doing to take the law into their own hands, primarily I was referring to disobedience to the governing authorities, which we are required to submit to so long as we are not commanded to disobey God. On top of that, vigilante justice is often times not tempered and results in further injustice.
To what moral implications are you referring?
quote:Perhaps not exactly, but there is no exact scale. The point is to maximize the right while minimizing the wrong, and sometimes the best action is indirect rather than direct.
OK, but I don't think the response is appropriately scaled to the belief.
quote:Yes, and there are some who actually have bombed abortion clinics and attacked abortion doctors. The vast majority of the resistance was non-combative, though. It wasn't my point that no German citizen ever killed Nazis just like no one has ever attacked abortion clinics or doctors, but that the more common method of resistance was something other than direct violence, even during wartime. Helping German Jews hide and/or escape from the Nazis and getting out of or refusing to participate in the Hitler Youth were more common ways people protested. While all activities of resistance carried severe risk, few German citizens actually believed it was a good tactic to openly attack and kill Nazi soldiers.
You do know there was an active resistance, filled with German citizens killing Nazis, right?
My point is that even in extreme circumstances like the 2nd World War, where objective evil practices were being performed by German leaders and those who followed their orders, most German citizens that actually opposed such practices participated in non-violent resistance, which is what those who oppose abortion are attempting to do in this country.
quote:I've participated in these discussions a time or two. They always go there: "If you really thought it was murder, you'd stop the murderers at all costs just like you'd be willing to shoot someone with a gun attempting to murder you or someone else nearby."
You're the only one who keeps bringing up killing doctors and nurses
I believe even your response of "I don't think the response is appropriately scaled to the belief" was touching on this very thing.
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Posted on 4/11/24 at 12:04 pm to FooManChoo
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Yes, that was a promise God made to a certain people at a certain time in history for a certain purpose.
Guessed I missed the cancelation notice.
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While there are are potentially multiple implications depending on what people are doing to take the law into their own hands, primarily I was referring to disobedience to the governing authorities, which we are required to submit to so long as we are not commanded to disobey God. On top of that, vigilante justice is often times not tempered and results in further injustice.
That's a question obedience, then, not morality.
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Perhaps not exactly, but there is no exact scale. The point is to maximize the right while minimizing the wrong, and sometimes the best action is indirect rather than direct.
Defense of Others has a more direct impact on what's "right" than legislation ever will.
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The vast majority of the resistance was non-combative, though.
Keep reading to see what happened next. I think you're going to be surprised at how combative things got over there.
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They always go there
OK, well go back to those if you want to talk about murdering doctors and nurses.
Posted on 4/11/24 at 12:14 pm to GoAwayImBaitn
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Would abortion be as big of an issue if daily life was more affordable for most? I feel most turn to abortion because they feel they can't bare the financial burden which comes with having a child
Abortion wouldn’t be as big an issue if people actually thought out potentially life altering decisions and used any number of the tools out there available to avoid pregnancy. But people are fricking stupid so they can run a campaign on this and it will work.
Posted on 4/15/24 at 2:01 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
quote:It doesn't need a cancellation notice. Context dictates the command.
Guessed I missed the cancelation notice.
quote:In Christianity, obedience to the civil authorities is a matter of morality.
That's a question obedience, then, not morality.
quote:Not necessarily. If a person engages in a defense of others in various ways at a local abortion clinic, it may shut down services temporarily, but not enough to stop the hundreds of thousands of abortions performed each year across the country. Elections are the only way to realistically change this from a political perspective.
Defense of Others has a more direct impact on what's "right" than legislation ever will.
quote:Not necessary. You already stated that you don't think "the response is appropriately scaled to the belief". Perhaps you should let me know what the response should be based on the belief, then.
OK, well go back to those if you want to talk about murdering doctors and nurses.
Posted on 4/15/24 at 2:10 pm to The Maj
The bottom line is that abortion is the killing of a defenseless human being.
People try to rationalize it, but it is pure evil.
No way should anyone's (especially mine) tax dollars go to this abomination.
People try to rationalize it, but it is pure evil.
No way should anyone's (especially mine) tax dollars go to this abomination.
Posted on 4/15/24 at 2:16 pm to GoAwayImBaitn
Good post, Now I’ll stay away and let you bait.
Posted on 4/24/24 at 5:13 am to DisplacedBuckeye
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As close to the people and as far away from government as possible.
on this we can agree.
Posted on 4/24/24 at 10:13 am to GoAwayImBaitn
I am as conservative as they come, yet I am pro choice. Not because I want babies to be killed, but because I think it's between a woman, her doctor, and the sperm donor. And when pressed with a highly divisive issue, I'd prefer to err on the side of not allowing govt to tell people what they cannot do.
The issue is unique because it's an all or nothing issue. Abortion must either be entirely (or nearly entirely) banned, or it has to be allowed up until the time of birth. Anything in between is arbitrary and does nothing to settle the issue or even slow down debate.
The issue is unique because it's an all or nothing issue. Abortion must either be entirely (or nearly entirely) banned, or it has to be allowed up until the time of birth. Anything in between is arbitrary and does nothing to settle the issue or even slow down debate.
Posted on 4/24/24 at 10:46 am to FooManChoo
I see FooHamChoo did one of his drive bys for the last word.
It always does.
So convenient...
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It doesn't need a cancellation notice. Context dictates the command.
It always does.
So convenient...
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