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re: Were we wrong about Iran's strike on Israel?
Posted on 4/17/24 at 2:23 pm to Indefatigable
Posted on 4/17/24 at 2:23 pm to Indefatigable
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I stopped here. Iron Dome is not designed or intended to intercept ballistic missiles.
Iron Dome is used as an umbrella term. Context makes that pretty clear.
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Posted on 4/17/24 at 2:31 pm to TigerAxeOK
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Ok, so we've established that your opinion is
Nope.
I haven't seen other reports that go along with the things Ritter said, so...take it with a grain of salt.
Here is a synopsis:
Pretty obvious I'm giving a synopsis of Ritter's comments and repeatedly I refer back to 'Ritter said'.
Posted on 4/17/24 at 2:44 pm to RiverCityTider
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Ritters point is that a good pct of the ballistic missles got through... and were accurate.
The destination of the missile is known very quickly and to within inches of its intended target by the systems used in Israel. Maybe Israel allows something in for more justification regarding the Israeli response that is going to be something the Iranians will remember for a very long time.
Of course, all other players in the region will have to behave accordingly as a result. Regardless, a ton of money is about to be made my the associated MIC's.
Posted on 4/17/24 at 2:54 pm to POTUS2024
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Were we wrong about Iran's strike on Israel?
Ritter is talking out of his arse. What did it really prove. We saw two Arab Kingdom's, Jordan and Saudi Arabia, provide military assistance, and the UAE provide intelligence, in direct support of a Jewish State against radical Islamists. The Abraham Accords in action. All hail Donald Trump.
Posted on 4/17/24 at 2:54 pm to gothamdawg
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All this to sweep under the rug his abject failure of a strategy in Gaza ....
One thing we are learning about Israel is the hostage strategy has remained the same. Israel does not ever allow hostages to alter their strategy which is why it does no one any good to take an Israeli hostage.
Israel will end Hamas in Gaza and the Middle East will be different once this is over.
Joey has his minions out there claiming Israel needs US help.
Joey is a lying POS!!Posted on 4/17/24 at 3:08 pm to POTUS2024
This was an interesting listen, because I honestly expected Israel to respond to any attack from Iran very quickly. And I would have expected retaliation within 48 hours. I just wouldn’t have thought there’d be much debate from Israel on responding immediately to missiles and other things being launched at them from Iran. It’s like something is holding them back right now or worries them, and I highly doubt the US would have that much influence over Israel, in regards to responding to an Iranian attack.
Posted on 4/17/24 at 3:12 pm to POTUS2024
Isn't the Iron Dome programmed to just ignore incoming ordnance that isn't going to hit anything important? That is my recollection. In other words, I think it is DESIGNED to not bother with much of what is incoming.
Posted on 4/17/24 at 3:14 pm to OzonaOkapi
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Iron Dome programmed to just ignore incoming ordnance that isn't going to hit anything important
Yes--if nothing is in the way, ID doesn't fire. It also doesn't do much to combat ballistic missiles anyway, and was never intended to. ID is designed for low altitude garage-made projectiles at close range.
The Arrow (Patriot-derivative) and David's Sling systems are Israel's long-range/high altitude interceptor platforms.
This post was edited on 4/17/24 at 3:16 pm
Posted on 4/17/24 at 3:15 pm to POTUS2024
Idk it doesn’t bother me at all
Posted on 4/18/24 at 12:48 am to Indefatigable
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Yes--if nothing is in the way, ID doesn't fire. It also doesn't do much to combat ballistic missiles anyway, and was never intended to. ID is designed for low altitude garage-made projectiles at close range.
The Arrow (Patriot-derivative) and David's Sling systems are Israel's long-range/high altitude interceptor platforms.
Missile defense is only useful against rogue nations with limited capability. Even The US mainland defense is basically incapable of determining decoys or being effective against concentrated attacks. Our (and their) missile defense would be useless against hypersonic. The only "protection" remains assured mutual destruction. I always wonder how the world would react if a hypersonic launched from an unknown sub. We arent shooting it down. Would we just barrage any country capable? Would we just huddle and pray that it's not an EMP? Sure, we'd still be able to retaliate afterwards but the damage would be done. The vast majority of the population would die.
Military might is relatively inconsequential if you're dead serious about your mission.
This post was edited on 4/18/24 at 12:58 am
Posted on 4/18/24 at 4:43 am to Indefatigable
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Iron Dome programmed to just ignore incoming ordnance that isn't going to hit anything important
Yes--if nothing is in the way, ID doesn't fire.
This is a good point and one of the reasons I brought this here was because Ritter said these munitions landed on the air base. We all know there is typically a lot of empty space at such locations, but I would think that level of precision is not embedded in the system and that if anything was destined for the big block of space denoted by the air base's boundaries, it would be engaged. Only takes a small margin of error to go from empty space to landing on a runway, for example. Also, just the possibility of shrapnel, which can travel hundreds of meters, damaging an F35 is pretty serious. When they were testing the F-117 they had good results, then one day it was pretty strong on the radar. It was on a mount so they went to look at it - a fastener came loose and that's all it took. The smallest damage or change to the aircraft can ruin its stealth capabilities.
Posted on 4/25/24 at 1:01 am to POTUS2024
Bumping this just to add what was posted on Larry Johnson's website a few days ago. Many people think Israel has outclassed Iran thus far and that may be true. This is just a different take from different people. sonar21
Helpful hint - you are about to read the information I am pulling direct from Larry's site. This is not my analysis or opinion. I know some of you really struggle with that.
Israel Suffers Major Blow As Iran Puts West on Notice
This attack was significant on both a tactical and strategic level and is a defiant warning to both Israel and the United States to keep their powder dry or run the risk of Iran launching a massive strike on Israel that it will not be able to defeat.
Iran made shrewd use of a limited swarm of drones, cruise missiles and ballistic missiles — all timed to arrive at roughly the same time — which overwhelmed Israel and other air defense systems activated to try to thwart the Iranian attack. Reports indicate that Iran hit the following targets in Israel:
?Nevatim Airbase in the south of occupied Palestine
?Ramon Airbase in the south of occupied Palestine
?The Israeli top-secret intelligence-spy base in Jabal al-Sheikh (Mount Hermon) in the north of the occupied Golan
? Israeli Air Force intelligence HQ in Tel Aviv
I believe that Iran pulled its punches in this attack. In other words, it did not launch a full scale attack designed to destroy essential Israeli military capabilities. Its purpose was to put Israel and its Western backers on notice that further attacks by Israel will be reciprocated with an even more massive response. And here is the bottomline — Israel does not have the supplies of Iron Dome missiles and other air defense armaments to conduct a sustained campaign against a coordinated attack of more than 1000 drones, cruise missiles and ballistic missiles.
Israel also faces a math geography problem. Iran is 30 times the size of Israel in terms of square miles (or kilometers). In addition, many of Iran’s key military and nuclear sites are buried deep underground in the midst of mountains. If Israel dares to engage Iran in a tit-for-tat or attack and counter attack it will come out on the short end of the stick. Barring the use of nuclear weapons, Israel does not have the military clout to put a dent in Iran’s military and industrial capability. Iran, however, does not face such constraints.
Helpful hint - you are about to read the information I am pulling direct from Larry's site. This is not my analysis or opinion. I know some of you really struggle with that.
Israel Suffers Major Blow As Iran Puts West on Notice
This attack was significant on both a tactical and strategic level and is a defiant warning to both Israel and the United States to keep their powder dry or run the risk of Iran launching a massive strike on Israel that it will not be able to defeat.
Iran made shrewd use of a limited swarm of drones, cruise missiles and ballistic missiles — all timed to arrive at roughly the same time — which overwhelmed Israel and other air defense systems activated to try to thwart the Iranian attack. Reports indicate that Iran hit the following targets in Israel:
?Nevatim Airbase in the south of occupied Palestine
?Ramon Airbase in the south of occupied Palestine
?The Israeli top-secret intelligence-spy base in Jabal al-Sheikh (Mount Hermon) in the north of the occupied Golan
? Israeli Air Force intelligence HQ in Tel Aviv
I believe that Iran pulled its punches in this attack. In other words, it did not launch a full scale attack designed to destroy essential Israeli military capabilities. Its purpose was to put Israel and its Western backers on notice that further attacks by Israel will be reciprocated with an even more massive response. And here is the bottomline — Israel does not have the supplies of Iron Dome missiles and other air defense armaments to conduct a sustained campaign against a coordinated attack of more than 1000 drones, cruise missiles and ballistic missiles.
Israel also faces a math geography problem. Iran is 30 times the size of Israel in terms of square miles (or kilometers). In addition, many of Iran’s key military and nuclear sites are buried deep underground in the midst of mountains. If Israel dares to engage Iran in a tit-for-tat or attack and counter attack it will come out on the short end of the stick. Barring the use of nuclear weapons, Israel does not have the military clout to put a dent in Iran’s military and industrial capability. Iran, however, does not face such constraints.
Posted on 4/25/24 at 1:42 am to TS1926
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There it is. If you tell the truth now days, you are a "Russian" mouthpiece.
I mean here he is on Russian State TV during his book tour there:
He is also a convicted groomer.
Posted on 4/25/24 at 2:56 am to VOR
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Israeli air defense, aided by the U.S. intercepted 90 per cent of Iran’s
Strike.iran didn’t penetrate dick to any great effect.
Maybe, according to the government. But remember when the government said that the vaccines were 95% effective?
Posted on 4/25/24 at 11:36 am to Tantal
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That would be the stupidest thing that they could do. We'll never put boots on the ground in Iran on a large scale, but we have the standoff capability to turn their entire petroleum infrastructure and every government building into rubble from a distance.
I’m not so confident that our POTUS would respond.
Unless that response included sending more pallets of cash.
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