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re: Washington and Lee University to remove Confederate flag's from Lee's tomb.
Posted on 7/8/14 at 7:24 pm to yumahog
Posted on 7/8/14 at 7:24 pm to yumahog
I am extraordinary happy that the North prevailed.
I am exceedingly weary of all the boo-hooing over the "offense" taken at a colored piece of cloth and/or artifacts.
I'm sick of the nonsense.
"Mean people did terrible things while waving that flag!
Get rid of that flag in every iteration it is found! "
silliness
I am exceedingly weary of all the boo-hooing over the "offense" taken at a colored piece of cloth and/or artifacts.
I'm sick of the nonsense.
"Mean people did terrible things while waving that flag!
Get rid of that flag in every iteration it is found! " silliness
This post was edited on 7/8/14 at 7:25 pm
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Posted on 7/8/14 at 7:25 pm to mtntiger
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I think the Virginia flag is appropriate
Absolutely. I hate that the president of the school caved into political correctness.
Posted on 7/8/14 at 7:26 pm to NC_Tigah
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An argument comprised of stupid stuff
lol what? That's not an argument. Southern states prohibited blacks from bearing arms. You can read literally dozens of documents to that effect. Hell, the Union did for much of the war. There is no credible evidence that black soldiers ever performed in combat roles bearing firearms. Forgive me for discounting the link below your post.
Posted on 7/8/14 at 7:28 pm to Navytiger74
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Forgive me for discounting the link below your post
I forgive. Agree to disagree
Posted on 7/8/14 at 7:29 pm to Navytiger74
quote:So did Northern States.
Southern states prohibited blacks from bearing arms
While we're at it, take a guess in which states slavery was last legal.
It was a different and horribly unfair time. Attribution solely to one geography or group is the stuff of silly revisionism.
Posted on 7/8/14 at 7:30 pm to NC_Tigah
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Was it ever adjudicated?
From our exchange on 20 June:
Navy
Article IV of the constitution requires congressional approval for states to join the union, partition themselves, or unite into new states. Doesn't that suggest that Congress would have to weigh in if a state wanted to leave? Though it was popular for politicians and thinkers to speak and write on secession throughout much of the early founding, John Marshall suggested that such a right didn't exist in 1824.
NC
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The 10th Amendment suggests such suggestions are reserved to the States
Navy
Not a bad rebuttal.
It would seem terribly logically inconsistent, however, to require states to seek permission to bond together or internally partition while giving them free reign to leave as they please.
I don't think it unreasonable to assert that there was a certain implied permanence and perpetuity in the constitution.
Posted on 7/8/14 at 7:32 pm to NC_Tigah
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So did Northern States.
Yeah, that's in my post.
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While we're at it, take a guess in which states slavery was last legal.
Non-rebelling border states? What do I win.
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It was a different and horribly unfair time. Attribution solely to one geography or group is the stuff of silly revisionism.
Treason is not really as fluffy a term as you're pretending here.
Posted on 7/8/14 at 7:32 pm to NC_Tigah
Should be noted this is a private institution...i want to know what Ted Delaney has to say about it...i
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Posted on 7/8/14 at 7:34 pm to Navytiger74
Posted on 7/8/14 at 7:34 pm to mtntiger
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The U. S. flag would not be, since Lee never had his citizenship reinstated after the war.
Lee was by all accounts a first-rate and honorable man. Few people of any stripe dispute that. Lincoln, Stanton, Grant, Sherman...almost all admired him.
His citizenship was restored in the 1980s.
Posted on 7/8/14 at 7:35 pm to Navytiger74
quote:Nor was legality of secession.
Treason is not really as fluffy a term as you're pretending here.
Was Lee's supposed treason ever adjudicated?
Posted on 7/8/14 at 7:36 pm to Navytiger74
quote:You now claim no stripe?
Lee was by all accounts a first-rate and honorable man. Few people of any stripe dispute that.
Posted on 7/8/14 at 7:37 pm to rb
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LINK
Please give me the gist of that. I'm aware that the United States committed war crimes during the war--as did the South. Does it actually provide conclusive evidence that blacks fought in battle under arms on behalf of the Confederacy?
Posted on 7/8/14 at 7:38 pm to NC_Tigah
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Was Lee's supposed treason ever adjudicated?
It was indeed. By the competent authorities of the day.
Posted on 7/8/14 at 7:39 pm to NC_Tigah
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You now claim no stripe?
No, I believe Lee meant well and did what he thought he had to do. That doesn't make anyone more or less a traitor to the country to which they'd at least tacitly sworn allegiance (as a commissioned officer, no less).
Posted on 7/8/14 at 7:40 pm to Navytiger74
quote:and?
By the competent authorities of the day.
Posted on 7/8/14 at 7:41 pm to Navytiger74
I did not know his citizenship was reinstated. Ironically, I just got back from a trip to Gettysburg. One of the things that stuck in my head is that Lee never regained his citizenship. Was told that on a tour.
I still say the Virginia flag would be most appropriate, because Lee was steadfastly loyal to that state.
I still say the Virginia flag would be most appropriate, because Lee was steadfastly loyal to that state.
Posted on 7/8/14 at 7:41 pm to NC_Tigah
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and?
Just lay it on me, bro. I don't know where this is going.
Posted on 7/8/14 at 7:43 pm to Navytiger74
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Does it actually provide conclusive evidence that blacks fought in battle under arms on behalf of the Confederacy?
Read my link, they served and fought under Forest.
Posted on 7/8/14 at 7:45 pm to Navytiger74
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Just lay it on me, bro.
quote:and? what was the result of this supposed action by competent authorities?
Was Lee's supposed treason ever adjudicated?
It was indeed. By the competent authorities of the day.
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