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Was the GOP as obsolete as the democrats now are in early 2009?
Posted on 6/26/17 at 10:43 am
Posted on 6/26/17 at 10:43 am
The democrats are considered the weakest in over 100 years. Did people consider the GOP as broken as the dems currently are in 2009?
Posted on 6/26/17 at 10:45 am to Deuces
That's what we were told by the leftists mainstream media in their attempts to suppress our votes and support. Pussy GOPers believed it as well.
Trump proved this shite wrong though. MAGA
Trump proved this shite wrong though. MAGA
Posted on 6/26/17 at 10:45 am to Midget Death Squad
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Trump proved this shite wrong though
Republicans regained political power well before Trump was nominated.
Posted on 6/26/17 at 10:47 am to Deuces
I remember when people thought trump was going to destroy the Republican Party
Posted on 6/26/17 at 10:50 am to CarolinaGamecock99
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I remember when people thought trump was going to destroy the Republican Party
To be fair, he still has time ;p
In seriousness, I'm still curious to see how much he butts heads with them in the long term. He is listed as a Republican, but it's clear that there is a huge "old school" contingent in Congress that could end up in-fighting with Trump over some matters. If they end up growing, it could harm the party overall.
I don't think it will, personally, but we're a long way off from determining if Trump ends up being a positive or negative for the party as a whole.
Posted on 6/26/17 at 10:50 am to Deuces
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The democrats are considered the weakest in over 100 years. Did people consider the GOP as broken as the dems currently are in 2009?
Not as broken, I don't think. Seems the GOP won some special elections then, and the Dems could not. I could be wrong, as I am going strictly by memory, and the memory isn't as good as it once was.
Posted on 6/26/17 at 10:54 am to Deuces
No, the Republicans on the national level were basically self-repudiating, mostly because of the Iraq War. Also, most Conservatives were sick with Bush over TARP. So I think most Repubs saw the McCain loss as earned-karma.
But they still had the SCOTUS, the State houses, The Governorships etc. The Dems by comparison, are historically decimated and ripe for a third party insurgency. Which, as bad as Congressional Republicans suck, is a minor miracle.
But they still had the SCOTUS, the State houses, The Governorships etc. The Dems by comparison, are historically decimated and ripe for a third party insurgency. Which, as bad as Congressional Republicans suck, is a minor miracle.
Posted on 6/26/17 at 11:25 am to Lsupimp
Never this bad. The Democratic Party is teetering on distinction. Their message is old and doesn't work anymore. America is woke!!!
Posted on 6/26/17 at 11:41 am to Lsupimp
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But they still had the SCOTUS, the State houses, The Governorships etc. The Dems by comparison, are historically decimated and ripe for a third party insurgency. Which, as bad as Congressional Republicans suck, is a minor miracle.
Lol no they didn't. Democratics had majority of governorships and state houses after 2008 election. GOP had SCOTUS, but that fell away once two GOP justices retired.
Posted on 6/26/17 at 11:58 am to Parmen
Yeah you are right . I forgot how steep the 2010/2012/2014 Dem decline was , and how consistently gradual it has been. I stand corrected, thank you.
Posted on 6/26/17 at 12:12 pm to Deuces
I'm amused because if Democrats could merely get out of their own way, they'd be winning some of these elections.
But even when Ossoff runs as a moderate Republican, the base is out there telling moderate Republicans who might otherwise vote for him that they're basically nazis.
But even when Ossoff runs as a moderate Republican, the base is out there telling moderate Republicans who might otherwise vote for him that they're basically nazis.
Posted on 6/26/17 at 12:16 pm to Deuces
The difference is that back then, Republicans were resisting Obama's policies. Now, Democrats are just resisting Trump altogether. They have no message and no clear ideas and they've moved way too far to the left.
Posted on 6/26/17 at 12:16 pm to Deuces
The big differences is that after the bloodbath of 2008, republican voters revolted, not by voting for the GOP, but by changing the GOP. The Tea Party sprang up in defiance of TARP and the Bailouts, and went mainstream with their opposition to Obamacare. They started primarying republicans left and right. The GOP in 2008 was dying, and 2010 was a reformation. Now, this Reformation has led to a very sharply divided party, but one that still is cobbled together electorally. They fight among themselves, but still unite against the democrats at the ballot box.
Basically, Obamacare was just what the GOP needed to unite itself (at least against the other party). The GOP is still seeking inter-party unity and is still at war within itself.
The problem for the DNC is that, unlike the GOP, they are fighting 2 attempts at reformation, one from the economically-minded populist left (Bernie Sanders democratic socialism) and one from the social justice authoritarian left (social Marxism and critical race theory). The establishment of the party wants to use both while being neither, but is starting to see its voters demand results. Both visions are completely repugnant to a majority of the electorate, so they are stuck with trying to pander to each fringe to get nominated while lying about not belonging to either fringe in the general. They're stuck between a rock and a hard place. If they reject both wings, then they are left as a rudderless party lacking any identifiable principles upon which they govern. If they except either wing, they completely alienate independents. Both wings are completely self-destructive to the country as a whole. The Dems are basically completely screwed unless the GOP gifts them an Obamacare, a piece of legislation so toxic that the in-fighting dems and disgusted moderates will unite against a common-enemy when necessary.
Basically, Obamacare was just what the GOP needed to unite itself (at least against the other party). The GOP is still seeking inter-party unity and is still at war within itself.
The problem for the DNC is that, unlike the GOP, they are fighting 2 attempts at reformation, one from the economically-minded populist left (Bernie Sanders democratic socialism) and one from the social justice authoritarian left (social Marxism and critical race theory). The establishment of the party wants to use both while being neither, but is starting to see its voters demand results. Both visions are completely repugnant to a majority of the electorate, so they are stuck with trying to pander to each fringe to get nominated while lying about not belonging to either fringe in the general. They're stuck between a rock and a hard place. If they reject both wings, then they are left as a rudderless party lacking any identifiable principles upon which they govern. If they except either wing, they completely alienate independents. Both wings are completely self-destructive to the country as a whole. The Dems are basically completely screwed unless the GOP gifts them an Obamacare, a piece of legislation so toxic that the in-fighting dems and disgusted moderates will unite against a common-enemy when necessary.
This post was edited on 6/26/17 at 12:22 pm
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