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Was the DDT scare of the 1960s junk science and fake news?
Posted on 7/8/23 at 8:02 am
Posted on 7/8/23 at 8:02 am
Are the claims about its danger pretty much debunked?
Just like the debunked junk science of Covid vaccines and masks.
Can we bring it back and save some lives?
Bring back DDT (Cato institute)
Just like the debunked junk science of Covid vaccines and masks.
Can we bring it back and save some lives?
Bring back DDT (Cato institute)
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So why did DDT fall out of favour despite its demonstrated merits? Rachel Carson in 1962 started the DDT hysteria with her claim that its use had devastating effects on bird life, particularly those higher up the food chain. It was also claimed that DDT causes hepatitis and cancer in humans. Numerous scientific studies showed these fears to be baseless. It was shown to be safe to humans — causing death only if eaten in the size of pancakes! In 1971, in defense of its use, the distinguished biologist Philip Handler, then president of the National Academy of Sciences said: “DDT is the greatest chemical that has ever been discovered”. Commission after commission, expert after Nobel Prize-?winning expert has given DDT a clean bill of health. (See E M Whelan, Toxic Terror, 1993, and for India, K N Mehrotra, ‘Use of DDT and its Environmental Effects in India’, Proceedings of the Indian National Science Academy, 1985, and for a recent survey: “Use of DDT in fighting malaria”, www?.appope?dia?.org.).
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Posted on 7/8/23 at 8:03 am to TrueTiger
From what I recall (and this is not something I've looked at for probably 10 years),
1. The allegations claiming issues for humans were debunked.
2. The allegations around the birds (it may have been a particular bird) and their eggshells were not debunked.
1. The allegations claiming issues for humans were debunked.
2. The allegations around the birds (it may have been a particular bird) and their eggshells were not debunked.
Posted on 7/8/23 at 8:05 am to SlowFlowPro
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DDT
It was cruel, but fair
JTS Roberts
Posted on 7/8/23 at 8:05 am to TrueTiger
There’s likely nothing else that’s come close to killing as many people in the past 50-60 years as the eradication of DDT usage.
Posted on 7/8/23 at 8:08 am to SlowFlowPro
One thing I've read is that Big Chemical was happy to see it banned because it didn't have patent protection.
They would make more money with their proprietary chemicals than they would with DDT where anyone could compete. DDT was cheap and relatively easy to make.
Posted on 7/8/23 at 8:09 am to Y.A. Tittle
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There’s likely nothing else that’s come close to killing as many people in the past 50-60 years as the eradication of DDT usage.
Yes. Even if the effects on birds was a bad as they claimed, I don't see how the overall cost: benefit would still be swayed.
Literally millions of people.
Posted on 7/8/23 at 8:13 am to Y.A. Tittle
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There’s likely nothing else that’s come close to killing as many people in the past 50-60 years as the eradication of DDT usage.
Truly a baseless claim, if not an outright lie. The sheer dumbassery this shows is the reason the basket deplorables are the laugh line in many jokes. Made up claims, accusations, distrust of everything they have no experience in.
The OP posting title line is pure fool thinking. There I feel better now.
Posted on 7/8/23 at 8:14 am to Y.A. Tittle
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There’s likely nothing else that’s come close to killing as many people in the past 50-60 years as the eradication of DDT usage.
Can you explain this?
Posted on 7/8/23 at 8:14 am to CamdenTiger
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DDT It was cruel, but fair JTS Roberts
ISWYDT!
Posted on 7/8/23 at 8:14 am to mikeytig
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Can you explain this?
Look up malaria deaths annually
Posted on 7/8/23 at 8:15 am to Joeybd
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The OP posting title line is pure fool thinking
Where does malaria rank in terms of deaths per year by disease?
Posted on 7/8/23 at 8:20 am to TrueTiger
We have bald eagles back in SWLA. Never saw them growing up. Now they are everywhere.
Posted on 7/8/23 at 8:23 am to TrueTiger
You haven't lived unless you've been hosed down by one of these babies at bedtime:
This was part of the night time routine at my grandparents' place in the country back-in-the-day.
This was part of the night time routine at my grandparents' place in the country back-in-the-day.
Posted on 7/8/23 at 8:24 am to loogaroo
I can remember when you couldn’t see pelicans in Louisiana as well. Fortunately, malaria has never been a big problem in this environ. We have dealt with yellow fever, though.
Posted on 7/8/23 at 8:31 am to Joeybd
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The OP posting title line is pure fool thinking.
The credibility of 'science' has been blown to smithereens. The public is wary and 'follow the money' seems to explain a lot of the claims today's science makes.
So why not take a look at forgotten claims that have been around for 60+ years and see if they still hold up?
Posted on 7/8/23 at 8:34 am to TrueTiger
Sounds an awful lot like cannabis.
Posted on 7/8/23 at 8:36 am to TrueTiger
Back in the day, did anyone else see the 'mosquito truck' making the rounds in your neighborhood? It was a pickup with a tank and big sprayer and it just pumped stuff into the air. I'm pretty sure it was DDT they were spraying.
Posted on 7/8/23 at 8:38 am to Rawdawgs
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It was an amazing technology. As a result was maybe overused and instead of a reasoned reset on it's application, hysteria by the know nothings resulted in a worldwide ban, costing millions of lives, mostly kids in Africa from malaria.
DDT was scapegoated by smelly hippies in the 70’s because they were too stupid to understand the systemic benefits of its use in the U.S. Thats largely why we were able to eradicate malaria here until the importation of illegal aliens by the millions from third world countries. In Africa, while millions per year would not die from malaria if they used DDT there, it has been demonstrated time and again that you would just shift the death vector to starvation due to uncontrolled breeding. It’s a tragedy either way, but it only saves millions of lives in civilized populations, sadly.
The damage to bird populations is significantly overblown. We were told as children that peregrine falcons were effectively extinct because of DDT. Now you can see them yourself in Florida every day. The biggest threat to bald eagles is a wind turbine, not DDT.
Posted on 7/8/23 at 8:38 am to TrueTiger
Maybe we should bring back DDT so we can scuttle Bill Gates' plans to infect us all with his mosquitos.
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