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re: Was segregation a necessary evil to keep the peace?
Posted on 7/16/14 at 9:11 pm to Big Scrub TX
Posted on 7/16/14 at 9:11 pm to Big Scrub TX
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Phil Robertson guaranteed us that black folks in the 50's were super happy and never complained at all!
Not what he said at all..... "Black folks" and "black folks he was around" are two separate things, wouldn't ya say?????
Posted on 7/16/14 at 9:17 pm to deltaland
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I got the answer I was looking for anyways...makes sense that the emergence of mass media and a more international global community could spark more movements to end segregation.
The national political landscape was also a factor. From Redemption through WW2, the Democrats were halfway to victory with the Solid South. So they didn't want to rock the boat by pushing civil rights and the South didn't want to rock the boat by developing a competitive two-party system. (Especially with the seniority system, implemented around 1910 to end Speaker Cannon's reign of terror.)
But with black migration to Northern cities that didn't block access to the ballot, and the economic implications of the New Deal, small numbers of black voters began migrating over from the party of Lincoln.
We also had a young populist who moved from Minnesota to Louisiana because he was a fan of Huey Long. During his time in Baton Rouge, he was appalled by the racism of the Deep South. Early in his political career, he rocked the boat at the 1948 Democratic convention, causing the Dixiecrat walkout. That schism was the end of the unholy bargain between the South and the Democrats.
Posted on 7/16/14 at 10:06 pm to Big Scrub TX
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I would argue that was an intentional construct of the education system in your state. As a citizen of Mississippi, your ignorance on the topic is borderline criminal...but I do recognize that it is not your fault and that it is by design.
Yea it was never covered much in high school, nor college. Then again I had some dumbass teachers...I remember freshman year of college for a social studies/American Government type class our professor asked us on the first day what the 2 major political parties were..of course we answered Republican/Democrat. His reply to that: "Hell no. It's frickin black and white".
Posted on 7/17/14 at 5:33 pm to fleaux
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Not what he said at all..... "Black folks" and "black folks he was around" are two separate things, wouldn't ya say?????
He said this:
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“I never, with my eyes, saw the mistreatment of any black person,"
Now. Either Jim Crow laws were relaxed/non-existent in Caddo Parish in the 40's, 50's and 60's...OR Mr. Phil doesn't think government-sponsored terrorism against its own citizens is "mistreatment". Which one is it?
Posted on 7/17/14 at 8:41 pm to Big Scrub TX
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Now. Either Jim Crow laws were relaxed/non-existent in Caddo Parish in the 40's, 50's and 60's...OR Mr. Phil doesn't think government-sponsored terrorism against its own citizens is "mistreatment". Which one is it?
Neither. He said black and white field hands worked side by side when he was young. So he didn't experience segregation in his daily life.
And he apparently didn't personally witness any of the ugly incidents of overt violence either.
Posted on 7/17/14 at 8:54 pm to Bestbank Tiger
I hope recruits don't read this board. Why in the hell should a black player bust his arse for LSU and then read crap like this.
Posted on 7/17/14 at 9:03 pm to Ralph_Wiggum
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I hope recruits don't read this board. Why in the hell should a black player bust his arse for LSU and then read crap like this.
Well, the title is really, really dumb.
And not too many people seem to be agreeing with the OP's premise.
But the post I responded to was dumb too. There were two kinds of mistreatment in the bad old days. One was systemic mistreatment (segregation). Robertson didn't experience that because his daily life and his workplace were integrated. The other was direct personal abuse. He didn't witness that. Obviously that doesn't mean it didn't happen. I've never personally witnessed a murder but we still have 20,000 of them every year in the US.
There's no point in ridiculing him for that particular statement. If you want to quibble with other things he said, sure.
Posted on 7/17/14 at 9:04 pm to Antonio Moss
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Segregation didn't really start until about 30 years after the Civil War. It didn't start in LA until the Bourbon Democrats took control away for the State at the very end of the 19th century
THIS! Black former slaves were getting along quite well in the 1870s and 1880s until Jim Crow was instituted and Whites reasserted themselves and retook control after Reconstruction. That is a pretty interesting time period, actually. It is pretty amazing what kind of strides were made by former slaves during a short amount of time. Segregation was a pretty brutal practice and ended up hurting the South badly.
Posted on 7/17/14 at 9:16 pm to AlaTiger
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THIS! Black former slaves were getting along quite well in the 1870s and 1880s until Jim Crow was instituted and Whites reasserted themselves and retook control after Reconstruction. That is a pretty interesting time period, actually. It is pretty amazing what kind of strides were made by former slaves during a short amount of time. Segregation was a pretty brutal practice and ended up hurting the South badly.
Yep. The D's stole the 1896 election and implemented what was basically a dictatorship. The only thing Huey Long really did was beat the Bourbons at their own game.
The 1920s might have been even worse than the 1890s for black people. That's when the inbred racists decided it was intolerable to even allow black business owners to succeed within a segregated system. The Tulsa riots were the most prominent example, but a lot of wealthy black business owners were murdered in the 1920s. Richard Wright's uncle was one of them.
Imagine how many fewer problems we would have right now had the Bourbons not gotten their way in the 1890s.
Posted on 7/18/14 at 4:18 pm to Bestbank Tiger
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The 1920s might have been even worse than the 1890s for black people. That's when the inbred racists decided it was intolerable to even allow black business owners to succeed within a segregated system. The Tulsa riots were the most prominent example, but a lot of wealthy black business owners were murdered in the 1920s. Richard Wright's uncle was one of them.
Tulsa Race Riots were horrible. Every American should know what happened there.
Read Martin Luther King, Jr.'s speech in Montgomery at the end of the Selma-Montgomery March in 1965. He explains exactly what happened in the South after the Civil War and on into the 20th century.
Official slavery might have ended 150 years ago, but what went on until about 50 years ago was in many ways very difficult for African Americans. Then, you have Big Government coming in and instituting the Welfare State, which ended up being an even worse scourge by creating dependency.
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