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Want to know why we have a student loan problem in this country?
Posted on 2/27/17 at 12:42 pm
Posted on 2/27/17 at 12:42 pm
This is being handed out to high school students. Affordability at #10. No way it shouldn't be in the top three.
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Posted on 2/27/17 at 12:43 pm to anc
It doesn't say this is a list sorted by priority.
Posted on 2/27/17 at 12:45 pm to anc
Better yet...some parents need to be informed that not all students should go to college.
The stigma attached to trade schools for high skilled labor has caused the watering down of the value of an undergraduate diploma and depleted the nation's workforce.
The stigma attached to trade schools for high skilled labor has caused the watering down of the value of an undergraduate diploma and depleted the nation's workforce.
This post was edited on 2/27/17 at 12:47 pm
Posted on 2/27/17 at 12:46 pm to anc
Affordability I lay at the feet of the parents. There is no way my kid is going to a school that either he nor I can afford based off what the degree will be in.
Posted on 2/27/17 at 12:46 pm to anc
Should be:
What is the Return on investment?
What is the cost?
Is it located in a major market for my chosen major?
Others are pointless.
What is the Return on investment?
What is the cost?
Is it located in a major market for my chosen major?
Others are pointless.
Posted on 2/27/17 at 12:46 pm to anc
quote:
Want to know why we have a student loan problem in this country?
It's because people have totally bought into the idea that the only way to success is through a college education. Therefore, folks who would have went into the trades 40 years ago now feel obligated to get a 4-year degree. They often pick majors which don't lead to gainful employment.
We have to somehow change the mindset that the only people who should be considered for many professional jobs must have 4-year degree. Many of the people I have ever worked with could do their jobs without a formal education, so why should they be asked to absorb that cost?
Posted on 2/27/17 at 12:48 pm to anc
Should ability to pay not be a consideration? 
Not everyone can be on scholarship.
Also, where did your avatar go? Mine got 86'ed :/
Not everyone can be on scholarship. Also, where did your avatar go? Mine got 86'ed :/
Posted on 2/27/17 at 12:49 pm to Eli Goldfinger
We could have a drop off of 50% of available college graduates and not notice it in the job market.
We're approaching law school levels of over saturation.
We're approaching law school levels of over saturation.
Posted on 2/27/17 at 12:50 pm to anc
Yeah, that one list is the problem.
Posted on 2/27/17 at 12:51 pm to Aubie Spr96
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Affordability I lay at the feet of the parents. There is no way my kid is going to a school that either he nor I can afford based off what the degree will be in.
I'm about to face this with a $160k degree from an art school.
I think I mention "hell no" 3 times a week just so I am clear on my position. At this point, everyone knows what I am referring to when I randomly scream out "HELL NO".
Posted on 2/27/17 at 12:51 pm to Eli Goldfinger
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We have to somehow change the mindset that the only people who should be considered for many professional jobs must have 4-year degree. Many of the people I have ever worked with could do their jobs without a formal education, so why should they be asked to absorb that cost?
So much this. It blows my mind how many clerical and admin type jobs require college degrees now. Even in my line of work (cybersecurity), college degree requirements are asinine. I'll take a kid with a few certs and a couple years in IT under his built ANY day over a fresh college grad, with the possible exception of a computer science or computer engineering major. Even then the kid would have to prove they know their stuff.
Posted on 2/27/17 at 12:52 pm to cokebottleag
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What is the Return on investment?
You name a degree and there are wealthy people in this country that have it.
You earning potential has way more to do with work ethic, motivation, personality, and other things that you don't learn in a classroom.
quote:
Is it located in a major market for my chosen major?
Not sure why this would matter. If you permanently live withing 100 miles of where you went to college then you are the exception, not the rule.
This post was edited on 2/27/17 at 1:59 pm
Posted on 2/27/17 at 12:54 pm to Centinel
Proud graduate of a community college here. You save a ton of money going that route. In particular, tuition was free for residents of my county. That said, students on scholarships were fricked as they only paid what if anything the scholarships couldn't cover.
End result is lazy assess got into college for free but those who earned scholarships had to put their scholarship dollars toward tuition
End result is lazy assess got into college for free but those who earned scholarships had to put their scholarship dollars toward tuition
This post was edited on 2/27/17 at 12:58 pm
Posted on 2/27/17 at 1:03 pm to BulldogXero
quote:Freeloader. Taxpayers paid for that, right?
tuition was free for residents of my county.
Posted on 2/27/17 at 1:04 pm to anc
quote:
Want to know why we have a student loan problem in this country?
Bc the Government is involved?
Posted on 2/27/17 at 1:05 pm to HubbaBubba
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Freeloader. Taxpayers paid for that, right?
A private foundation I believe. They also gave city school kids free laptops.
Hey though, I had band and ACT scholarships, so I did not benefit at all.
Posted on 2/27/17 at 1:09 pm to anc
We have student loan problems because we have people graduating (or not) with useless degrees in a field with no way to pay it back, especially with interest.
Couple that with declining work ethic and drive and you get what we have now.
Couple that with declining work ethic and drive and you get what we have now.
Posted on 2/27/17 at 1:18 pm to Covingtontiger77
quote:
Better yet...some parents need to be informed that not all students should go to college.
And the time to do this is in middle school, to be 100% honest. No reason to waste time in a college prep secondary education program, when the child needs to prepare - full time - for a vocation/trade and life.
"Tracking" shouldn't be a bad word. It's smart and efficient.
Posted on 2/27/17 at 1:47 pm to Haughton99
I get that you want to be contrarian here, but you're making the implication that a person of average ability has the same earning potential from any college degree from any school. That simply isn't the case and I'm sure you're about to clarify.
Secondly, location is relevant when considering what industry you want to work in. If I want to work for the tech industry, I'm going to want a school near San Fransisco where I can make the most of my school's network. If I want to work as a petroleum engineer, I pick a school near Louisiana or Texas. If I want to work in banking, I probably pick a school on the east coast.
Secondly, location is relevant when considering what industry you want to work in. If I want to work for the tech industry, I'm going to want a school near San Fransisco where I can make the most of my school's network. If I want to work as a petroleum engineer, I pick a school near Louisiana or Texas. If I want to work in banking, I probably pick a school on the east coast.
Posted on 2/27/17 at 1:51 pm to The Pirate King
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with useless degrees in a field with no way to pay it back,
this is such a dumb meme. the economy has rendered most undergrad degrees "useless" save for a handful of degrees. i don't know one gender studies major or whatever the plant workers like to believe people major in. most people will have to go to grad school to enter the professional workforce, or hell even to move up in most cases you need a 2nd degree.
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