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re: Video of Richard Spencer being sucker punched during interview
Posted on 1/21/17 at 12:22 am to Pettifogger
Posted on 1/21/17 at 12:22 am to Pettifogger
Who is this guy and why is he a POS?
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Posted on 1/21/17 at 12:22 am to buckeye_vol
Its just like all these millennial "do gooders". The hijack something and mold into their own distorted view of the world.
Many of these activists in the far left are just "rustled" without an actual grievance and just latch onto whatever seems like cause of the month.
Many of these activists in the far left are just "rustled" without an actual grievance and just latch onto whatever seems like cause of the month.
Posted on 1/21/17 at 12:23 am to joshnorris14
I don't know who Richard Spencer is but sucker punching is what pussies do.
Posted on 1/21/17 at 12:24 am to kilo
quote:Without knowing much about either person, the violent person displayed much worse behavior.
In this case, one used violence hiding his face.
quote:Completely agree. Violent actions are worse than "violent" rhetoric; i just don't understand the "I'll support one over the other." I get that it probably meant nothing, but it was a weird way to phrase it. I just don't think that either should have any implication of support.
The devil you know and all that jazz. Im not making excuses for the fascist racist but it should never be acceptable to meet rhetoric and ideology with violence, regardless of how disturbing it may be.
Posted on 1/21/17 at 12:27 am to bamafan1001
quote:he's a white nationalist and the Godfather of the alt-right. He's not a POS whatsoever.
Who is this guy and why is he a POS?
Posted on 1/21/17 at 12:29 am to GreatLakesTiger24
How edgy
Posted on 1/21/17 at 12:30 am to kilo
quote:Gotcha. And I agree that using the cause against something bad, is not justification for terrible actions in response.
Its just like all these millennial "do gooders". The hijack something and mold into their own distorted view of the world.
Many of these activists in the far left are just "rustled" without an actual grievance and just latch onto whatever seems like cause of the month.
That being said, and I know these are just words that may not mean anything, but I see a lot of people who advocate for violence or political imprisonment (i.e., the red scare) against the communists.
Again, anti-communism seems fine to me, but I don't understand why, with anti-facism and anti-communism views, the solution is always an authoritarian like, or at least anti-freedom, response. What good is it to fight a problematic ideology, with the same type of methods that make the ideology problematic in the first place?
Posted on 1/21/17 at 12:30 am to 3nOut
Ok multiple PT progressives calling this Richard Spencer a POS. Google gives me fake news(cnn) links calling him a white nationalist but I can't seem to find any actual quotes from this guy
Posted on 1/21/17 at 12:33 am to Lou Pai
Hes a racist! 
Posted on 1/21/17 at 12:35 am to GreatLakesTiger24
The try is too hard
Posted on 1/21/17 at 12:47 am to bamafan1001
quote:Actually most of the posters calling him out are Trump supporters in this thread. But here was an interesting snippet in my quick perusal on wikipedia:
Ok multiple PT progressives calling this Richard Spencer a POS. Google gives me fake news(cnn) links calling him a white nationalist but I can't seem to find any actual quotes from this guy
quote:So he doesn't support slavery; I guess I'm glad he clarified that.
In a 2016 interview for Time magazine, Spencer said that he rejected white supremacy and slavery of nonwhites, preferring to establish America as a white ethnostate.
But he doesn't believe in white supremacy, he just whats America to be basically an exclusively white nation?
I don't know about you, but that seems like a stupid, and racist view. I wonder how he felt about Ben Carson being in Trump's administration. And using Carson as an example, given his medical work, America would be worse off without people like Carson, which would not be possible in Spencer's views.
So Spencer seems like he should move into obscurity with all the other irrational and ignorant attention-seekers, like an equally irrational and ignorant person on the other side, Louis Farrakhan.
Posted on 1/21/17 at 12:57 am to buckeye_vol
quote:
That being said, and I know these are just words that may not mean anything, but I see a lot of people who advocate for violence or political imprisonment (i.e., the red scare) against the communists.
Not from me. The ideology is supremely flawed as has been proven multiple times in history. It will be defeated in a democratic country like the US. Hell the socialist leaning countries in the EU are experiencing a severe backlash of their own.
The violence and rhetoric is coming from a movement that is on the ropes. That's what anything does when its survival is in jeopardy. The more they react this way the more it tells me the country wants to move back to its center and find equilibrium.
Posted on 1/21/17 at 12:58 am to buckeye_vol
He's not a racist and his ideas deserve to be heard much more than the multicultural nirvana we're propagandized with. I don't agree with him, but to call him a Nazi is pretty mischaracterizing.
Posted on 1/21/17 at 1:01 am to joshnorris14
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but to call him a Nazi is pretty mischaracterizing.
Stahp.
He is a white nationalist. That's what he is...is that a "nazi" technically? No. That term was used to describe a right wing political party in Europe in the 20's-late 40's. But he is what he is...
Posted on 1/21/17 at 1:03 am to joshnorris14
quote:hear, hear!
He's not a racist and his ideas deserve to be heard much more than the multicultural nirvana we're propagandized with. I
Posted on 1/21/17 at 1:04 am to kilo
Calling him a White Nationalist is as descriptive as calling a Nazi simply a nationalist.
He's got a pretty useful critique of multicultural societies and if you just want to dismiss them as 'Nazi' I think you're going to fail at persuading people to not see the faults in his vision.
He's got a pretty useful critique of multicultural societies and if you just want to dismiss them as 'Nazi' I think you're going to fail at persuading people to not see the faults in his vision.
Posted on 1/21/17 at 1:08 am to kilo
quote:I agreed it's flawed, but it's most glaring flaw is its propensity to result in authoritarianism. I don't think fighting authoritarianism with authoritarianism is the solution.
Not from me. The ideology is supremely flawed as has been proven multiple times in history.
quote:Yes, as it should; through the the freedom-loving process that exists.
It will be defeated in a democratic country like the US.
quote:Maybe, but I can't help but wonder how accurate of a picture we are getting. Again, I think it's a poor view, and even poorer in our large and diverse country, BUT the asymmetry of the information lends itself to falling into the representative heuristic. We believe the problems are more prevailing than in reality. Just like as crime drop, the coverage of crime increased, so people generally believed it increased as a result.
Hell the socialist leaning countries in the EU are experiencing a severe backlash of their own.
quote:Good. But let's not fight violence with violence.
The violence and rhetoric is coming from a movement that is on the ropes.
quote:And that's all great. And we cannot tolerate violence, but in a country that value freedom, if a view is absent that violence that we are compelled to at least allow it; although we can criticize it and argue against it relentlessly.
That's what anything does when its survival is in jeopardy. The more they react this way the more it tells me the country wants to move back to its center and find equilibrium.
Posted on 1/21/17 at 1:11 am to joshnorris14
I read through this whole thread, and I still don't know who Richard Spencer is, but the guy who punched him should have been arrested.
This post was edited on 1/21/17 at 1:11 am
Posted on 1/21/17 at 1:13 am to joshnorris14
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Calling him a White Nationalist is as descriptive as calling a Nazi simply a nationalist.
He's got a pretty useful critique of multicultural societies and if you just want to dismiss them as 'Nazi' I think you're going to fail at persuading people to not see the faults in his vision.
I didnt call him a nazi. He is a white nationalist.
I understand his views on multiculturalism.
Its a little unsettling that some here would try and spin him into something more tolerable.
Posted on 1/21/17 at 1:14 am to joshnorris14
quote:I think his views are grounded in the same fundamental flaws as those he's arguing against.
He's got a pretty useful critique of multicultural societies and if you just want to dismiss them as 'Nazi' I think you're going to fail at persuading people to not see the faults in his vision.
There is nothing wrong with a multicultural society, as long as its a natural process, and one that maintains the principles of of freedom, while rewarding those who add true value to society, essentially a meritocracy.
Arguing for a white nation, is the same fundamental social engineering based on nothing but race that the same useless and ignorant reasoning of the other side.
How can you not see that your valuing the same illogical reasoning as the same illogical reasoning that he's criticizing. Yet, you think he's offering a useful critique? I expect more from you.
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