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Victor Davis Hanson article, "When failure is Success".
Posted on 2/25/14 at 8:03 am
Posted on 2/25/14 at 8:03 am
Posted on 2/25/14 at 8:18 am to half cajun
I see an audit in this man's future.
Posted on 2/25/14 at 8:48 am to udtiger
Either incredibly obtuse or incredible trolling. That title could be the name of a biopic about his own career.
Yes, hopefully for fraud. While billing himself as an expert on warfare, he wrote countless missives before and during the Iraq War ensuring Americans that victory was around the corner. He also demeaned the hell out of anyone who opposed his wild fantasies.
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I see an audit in this man's future.
Yes, hopefully for fraud. While billing himself as an expert on warfare, he wrote countless missives before and during the Iraq War ensuring Americans that victory was around the corner. He also demeaned the hell out of anyone who opposed his wild fantasies.
Posted on 2/25/14 at 9:23 am to todospm
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Losing a job is freedom from job lock. A budget deficit larger than in any previous administration is austerity. A mean right-wing video caused the deaths of four Americans in Benghazi. Al-Qaeda was long ago washed up. The Muslim Brotherhood is secular. Jihad is a personal journey. Shooting people while screaming Allahu akbar! is workplace violence. Unaffordable higher premiums and deductibles are the result of an Affordable Care Act. Losing your doctor and your health-insurance plan prove you will never lose your doctor and your health-insurance plan — period! Being a constitutional lawyer means you know how to turn the IRS and the FCC on your enemies. Failure is success; lies are truth.
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Who cares that fiscal discipline is now defined as raising taxes so as to borrow only $600 billion rather than borrowing $1 trillion a year for six straight years? And who cares that millions will lose their doctor, their health-care coverage, and most likely their jobs because of Obamacare?
Ditto foreign policy. Who cares that Obama issued five deadlines to Iran to cease enrichment and, when rebuffed, unilaterally dropped sanctions in favor of negotiation? Who cares that he declared a red line in Syria, and when the regime crossed it and gassed its own people, he announced that he had never issued a red line in the first place? Who cares that he issued a step-over line to President Yanukovych of Ukraine, as if anyone would not step over anything because Obama warned him not to?
Ditto also leading from behind in Libya, the flip-flopping from the radical Islamists of the Muslim Brotherhood to the junta in Egypt, the reset with Putin, the friendly initiatives to the late Hugo Chávez that ignored the near collapse of Venezuela, as Latin America goes back to the late 1970s in another failed round of coerced statism.
In short, Obama will always poll around 45 percent. That core support is his lasting legacy. In a mere five years, by the vast expansion of federal spending, by the demonizing rhetoric of his partisan bully pulpit, and by executive orders and bizarre appointments, Obama has so divided the nation that he has created a permanent constituency that will never care as much about what he does as it cares about what he says and represents.
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In short, there can be no scandals, or even good or bad news, just what Obama represents — an exemption from normal protocols of public and media scrutiny of his actual record. And so he has established two legacies. He will probably never win back a majority of inductive Americans again, and he will rarely lose his deductive base.
Checkmate
Posted on 2/25/14 at 10:26 am to DeltaDoc
Curious absence of our liberal brethren in this thread. I would love to hear a rebuttal to the points made therein.
Posted on 2/25/14 at 10:31 am to todospm
quote:Where do you draw exception to facts in the article?
Either incredibly obtuse or incredible trolling
Posted on 2/25/14 at 10:40 am to NC_Tigah
When you witness the kind of scrutiny Christie is facing (and justifiably so when public officials hurt the citizenry), and then you compare that to the lack of investigation in numerous Obama sandals and mishaps which have far greater implications to our well being; you realize just how deep the fix goes.
Pre election the media as a whole ignored Obama's suspect associates as if a president's long time associates do not matter.
And then when he appointed numerous underachievers to prime government positions, when he created Czars to run departments, and when he gave plum ambassador positions to rank amateurs; few asked any real hard questions.
Then as it was apparent that he repeatedly lied to get elected, then reelected; few took real offense with what he said or did; you had to know that the mainstreamers wanted the status quo and big government.
And foreign policy decisions which affect the US and our national security get a hall pass by the press as he drops the ball in Iran, Syria, Libya, and elsewhere. No one seems to care.
Even now as Obama has flirted with spying on the press and with putting bureaucrats inside news outlets; the press is rather silent.
It's too bad the media as a whole is in the tank, they could make Christi's misadventures look like child's play if they called Obama out for what he has done and failed to do.
Pre election the media as a whole ignored Obama's suspect associates as if a president's long time associates do not matter.
And then when he appointed numerous underachievers to prime government positions, when he created Czars to run departments, and when he gave plum ambassador positions to rank amateurs; few asked any real hard questions.
Then as it was apparent that he repeatedly lied to get elected, then reelected; few took real offense with what he said or did; you had to know that the mainstreamers wanted the status quo and big government.
And foreign policy decisions which affect the US and our national security get a hall pass by the press as he drops the ball in Iran, Syria, Libya, and elsewhere. No one seems to care.
Even now as Obama has flirted with spying on the press and with putting bureaucrats inside news outlets; the press is rather silent.
It's too bad the media as a whole is in the tank, they could make Christi's misadventures look like child's play if they called Obama out for what he has done and failed to do.
Posted on 2/25/14 at 10:44 am to DeltaDoc
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Curious absence of our liberal brethren in this thread. I would love to hear a rebuttal to the points made therein.
Hi. I posted up above.
I said that Victor Davis Hanson is a fraud and a complete idiot.
You do realize that he was the main cheerleader for the Iraq War, right? Like the most smug of all its shills, who preached the 'we'll be accepted as liberators' line till he was red in the face? Who so badly miscalled Iraq that it's utterly amazing he's still paid to write prose?
I don't think Obama's been a very good president. I don't like that his government is opaque, especially after he made all these promises about being transparent. I don't like how his administration handles the media. Domestically, I thought ObamaCare was too much too soon and it made things too acrimonious between the two parties.
But I also think he's opposed by a bunch of mouth-breathing psychopaths who have absolutely no idea what they're talking about. Victor Davis Hanson preaching about Obama's foreign policy?
A man who would have us entrenched in war in Syria and/or Iran right now, without question? Utter lunacy. So, no, I'm not going to go line-by-line through another one of his diatribes.
In 50 years, when historians look back on Obama's presidency they're not going to say: "Wow! He should have listened to Victor Davis Hanson and started a war with Iran, right when it was beginning to show signs of reaching out to the rest of the world! And supported the Jihadists in Syria, too! And in Chechnya!"
(Yea, that's another big Victor Davis Hanson issue: Supporting Chechnya's 'freedom fighters', like the guys who blew up the Boston Marathon. Neocons are stupid as shite, in case you haven't figured it out.)
Posted on 2/25/14 at 10:50 am to todospm
Wassup, Todo, one question for ya. Whose alter are you?
Posted on 2/25/14 at 10:52 am to todospm
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A man who would have us entrenched in war in Syria
Obama
Posted on 2/25/14 at 10:56 am to Zach
Yes. I am someone's alter. There are only 3 people on the planet who disagree with the warped, david duke-level discourse found on this board.
Posted on 2/25/14 at 10:58 am to todospm
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A man who would have us entrenched in war in Syria and/or Iran right now, without question? Utter lunacy. So, no, I'm not going to go line-by-line through another one of his diatribes.
I did not see anything that suggested that we go to war with these nations...if anything, he is insinuating that perhaps Obama should simply keep his mouth shut if he never intends to take action...which is precisely my personal position.
We don't need anymore wars, but we also don't need to threaten attacks if we are unwilling to carry through with those threats.
Obama knows that the US media will support him no matter what he says...he either does not know or does not care that his words now ring very hollow outside the US which most certainly diminishes our credibility as a nation.
Posted on 2/25/14 at 11:00 am to todospm
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Hi. I posted up above. I said that Victor Davis Hanson is a fraud and a complete idiot. You do realize that he was the main cheerleader for the Iraq War, right? Like the most smug of all its shills, who preached the 'we'll be accepted as liberators' line till he was red in the face? Who so badly miscalled Iraq that it's utterly amazing he's still paid to write prose? I don't think Obama's been a very good president. I don't like that his government is opaque, especially after he made all these promises about being transparent. I don't like how his administration handles the media. Domestically, I thought ObamaCare was too much too soon and it made things too acrimonious between the two parties. But I also think he's opposed by a bunch of mouth-breathing psychopaths who have absolutely no idea what they're talking about. Victor Davis Hanson preaching about Obama's foreign policy? A man who would have us entrenched in war in Syria and/or Iran right now, without question? Utter lunacy. So, no, I'm not going to go line-by-line through another one of his diatribes. In 50 years, when historians look back on Obama's presidency they're not going to say: "Wow! He should have listened to Victor Davis Hanson and started a war with Iran, right when it was beginning to show signs of reaching out to the rest of the world! And supported the Jihadists in Syria, too! And in Chechnya!" (Yea, that's another big Victor Davis Hanson issue: Supporting Chechnya's 'freedom fighters', like the guys who blew up the Boston Marathon. Neocons are stupid as shite, in case you haven't figured it out.)
I could care less about Hanson, but the point about the media not holding Obama to the same standards as Christie, Romney, and W is what upsets me.
I agree, we don't need to be caught up in a Syrian war; however, we don't need our president running his mouth and making the country look bad time after time.
There was a time if a president warned some one there were consequences to pay. Not anymore, Obama draws red lines and when the red lines are crossed, he waffles or draws another red line.
Posted on 2/25/14 at 11:01 am to jamboybarry
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Obama
Why are you laughing?
Obama resisted the efforts of right-wing warhawks to invade Syria. Victor Davis Hanson in a right-wing warhawk.
He wanted us to invade Syria. Not Obama. Did you miss McCain, one of VDH's good buddies, whining like a bitch on a national television, asking Americans to fund the Jihadis?
Bottom line is this: The opinion of Victor Davis Hanson, war expert, mattered to the last administration. We invaded Iraq just like he wanted us to. It doesn't matter anymore, and he's mad about it.
Posted on 2/25/14 at 11:03 am to todospm
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Obama resisted the efforts of right-wing warhawks to invade Syria.
Was that before or after drawing his redline?
Posted on 2/25/14 at 11:03 am to todospm
Here is me, laughing at you bro
BHO
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"While I believe I have the authority to carry out this military action without specific congressional authorization, I know that the country will be stronger if we take this course, and our actions will be even more effective," he said. "We should have this debate, because the issues are too big for business as usual."
BHO
Posted on 2/25/14 at 11:03 am to todospm
Where in the article is he claiming we should have invaded Syria, Iran, etc? Honest question? Did VDH say this in another article or setting to which I am unaware?
Posted on 2/25/14 at 11:04 am to DeltaDoc
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I did not see anything that suggested that we go to war with these nations...
Maybe you need to read about Victor Davis Hanson then, eh? Hint: He was one of the people flaming the fans back in 2005-2006 about invading Iran. And Syria? Are you kidding? He loves supportin' jihadis, just like in Chechnya. (For reference, you may remember the Dagestani brothers who came to the US under the Bush Administration's neocon-authored policies towards these freedom fighting people)
This post was edited on 2/25/14 at 11:05 am
Posted on 2/25/14 at 11:08 am to todospm
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Maybe you need to read about Victor Davis Hanson then, eh? Hint: He was one of the people flaming the fans back in 2005-2006 about invading Iran. And Syria? Are you kidding? He loves supportin' jihadis, just like in Chechnya. (For reference, you may remember the Dagestani brothers who came to the US under the Bush Administration's neocon-authored policies towards these freedom fighting people)
Once again, please point out in specifics where he suggested that Obama should have invaded Iran or Syria. I don't frequently read him, so I am attempting to throw you a bone and allow you to show us where he said what you are insinuating.
If you are unable to specifically show us this, then you will obviously appear to be rather hackish...if you can show us this - VDH specifically calling on Obama to invade Syria or attack Syria or attack Iran...then you will look like a poli-board hero.
Edit: This is from the linked article...
"Who cares that he issued a step-over line to President Yanukovych of Ukraine, as if anyone would not step over anything because Obama warned him not to?"
It seems the insinuation is that Obama should quit making hollow threats...not that he should go to war.
This post was edited on 2/25/14 at 11:10 am
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