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Ukraine is heating up again and now all eyes are on TRUMP!
Posted on 2/1/17 at 2:53 pm
Posted on 2/1/17 at 2:53 pm
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AVDIIVKA, Ukraine -- Freezing and nerve-shattered residents of an eastern Ukraine town battered by an upsurge in fighting between troops and Russia-backed rebels flocked to a humanitarian aid center Wednesday to receive food and warm up.
Heavy shelling of government-held Avdiivka, just north of the rebel stronghold city of Donetsk, began over the weekend and persisted into early Wednesday. Donetsk city also was hit.
At least 10 people have been killed since Monday and dozens wounded.
Separatist rebels have been fighting government troops and volunteer brigades in eastern Ukraine since April 2014 in a conflict that has killed more than 9,700 people. A pact reached nearly two years ago in Minsk, Belarus, called for a cease-fire, for heavy weapons to be pulled back from the front lines and for a political resolution of the conflict, but the agreement has been observed only fitfully and skirmishes and artillery fire have persisted.
In a worrisome sign, an Associated Press reporter saw rebel artillery positions in the center of Donetsk city on Wednesday.
What sparked the recent escalation is unclear. But each side could find negotiation benefits in it.
Come Pres Trump and SOS Tillerson, it is time to sell Ukraine the lethal aid that Obama has denied them so they can then defend themselves. Plus the media melt will be glorious.
Posted on 2/1/17 at 2:54 pm to WeeWee
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Ukraine is heating up again and now all eyes are on TRUMP!
You mean Merkel. Ukraine is in Germany's backyard not ours.
Posted on 2/1/17 at 2:58 pm to WeeWee
I think it goes the other way, we threw out their previous government and put in the guy in charge now...
Well us (CIA) and several Soros NGOs...which are currently operating against Trump in the US
Why would the POTUS join the same side that's against him on his own soil?
Well us (CIA) and several Soros NGOs...which are currently operating against Trump in the US
Why would the POTUS join the same side that's against him on his own soil?
Posted on 2/1/17 at 2:59 pm to Seldom Seen
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You mean Merkel. Ukraine is in Germany's backyard not ours.
Nobody is watching Merkel. Everyone knows that Russia and Putin only respect strength. Obama and Merkel were weak and that is why when Obama and Merkel gave an inch, Putin took Crimea. Everyone is watching Trump to see if he is as strong as he says he is and if so how Putin will respond.
Posted on 2/1/17 at 3:03 pm to WeeWee
Looks like a whole lot of not our business
Posted on 2/1/17 at 3:03 pm to WeeWee
They gave up their nukes for the dear leader.
Posted on 2/1/17 at 3:03 pm to Seldom Seen
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You mean Merkel. Ukraine is in Germany's backyard not ours.
This^.
Why do we have to be world police? Why do we have to intervene in foreign affairs thousands of miles away?
Posted on 2/1/17 at 3:10 pm to IceTiger
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think it goes the other way, we threw out their previous government and put in the guy in charge now...
Well us (CIA) and several Soros NGOs...which are currently operating against Trump in the US
The Maiden movement actually succeeded, which proves that the Obama admin, the CIA, and Soros were not involved in the Maiden movement. If the Obama admin, the CIA, and Soros had been involved it would have failed.
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Why would the POTUS join the same side that's against him on his own soil?
1. It is not Putin's soil. Ukraine is its own country and the USA promised to come to their aid in exchange for Ukraine giving up its nukes in the 90s.
2. Tillerson, who knows Putin and Russia very well, said that if you want to send a message that Putin will respect, giving Ukraine the weapons they requested would be the way to go. LINK
3. The head of NATO, his own SOS Tillerson, and most of the senate and house foreign relations committee members support it, and it would draw a sharp contrast between Obama's weak approach and Trump's. It is not like we would be sending American troops to the frontline so the more important question is why wouldn't Trump want to give Ukraine the weapons?
Posted on 2/1/17 at 3:12 pm to 225bred
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This^.
Why do we have to be world police? Why do we have to intervene in foreign affairs thousands of miles away?
We aren't being asked to intervene, just give them the weapons that they requested.
Posted on 2/1/17 at 3:15 pm to WeeWee
Solid post and retort to the Trumpkins who know this could be Trump's real first test. And are nervous about Putin playing Trump like a fool.
Trump said himself that he would be a master of foreign relations. Maybe time to back that up. Obama hit Putin with sanctions. What will Trump do?
And to those who think a superpower attempting to take over sovereign lands is none of our business.
Trump said himself that he would be a master of foreign relations. Maybe time to back that up. Obama hit Putin with sanctions. What will Trump do?
And to those who think a superpower attempting to take over sovereign lands is none of our business.
Posted on 2/1/17 at 3:21 pm to BayouBlitz
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Solid post and retort to the Trumpkins who know this could be Trump's real first test. And are nervous about Putin playing Trump like a fool.
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Trump said himself that he would be a master of foreign relations. Maybe time to back that up. Obama hit Putin with sanctions. What will Trump do?
Hopefully not more sanctions. Anyone with half a brain can see that the sanctions ain't done jack shite and were a pretty damn weak response. If Trump wants to do something that will make an impact he should give Ukraine the lethal aid and then do whatever he can to increase US oil and gas exports to Europe which will do more damage to the Russian economy than the sanctions ever did.
Posted on 2/1/17 at 3:36 pm to joshnorris14
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Looks like a whole lot of not our business
Absolutely. This conflict is taking place in Donetsk, a city where the overwhelming majority of the population speak Russian and a large percentage of the population consider themselves to be Russian. The conflict between Ukrainian speaking Catholics, Russian speaking Orthodox Christians, and Ukrainian Tartar Muslims in Donetsk Oblast and Crimea dates back to the wars between the Ottomans and the Romanov dynasty in the early 18th century. To think that arming the Ukrainians will solve anything again exposes the absolute arrogance of neoconservatism and nation building.
This post was edited on 2/1/17 at 3:37 pm
Posted on 2/1/17 at 3:51 pm to SCLibertarian
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Absolutely. This conflict is taking place in Donetsk, a city where the overwhelming majority of the population speak Russian and a large percentage of the population consider themselves to be Russian. The conflict between Ukrainian speaking Catholics, Russian speaking Orthodox Christians, and Ukrainian Tartar Muslims in Donetsk Oblast and Crimea dates back to the wars between the Ottomans and the Romanov dynasty in the early 18th century. To think that arming the Ukrainians will solve anything again exposes the absolute arrogance of neoconservatism and nation building.
1. How is giving an established and internationally recognized government weapons nation building?
2. The conflict is going on in Donetsk, but Donetsk is in Ukraine and the USA promised to come to Ukraine's aid if it were attacked in exchange for Ukraine giving up its nukes. Unlike in 2014 and early 2015, Ukraine now has a respectable army that is the largest in Europe except for Russia's, modernized tanks, US and NATO trained special forces. It just needs advanced anti-tank weapons, anti-aircraft systems, etc so that they are not shooting soviet era soviet designed weapons that use the same frequencies as the Russians backed rebels.
2. It is not arrogance it is fact. The Russians respect strength and if Trump wants to have a good relationship with Russia he needs them to respect him. Reagan armed the mujahideen, rebuilt our military, strengthened NATO and the Russians (then the USSR) respected that, which lead to Reagan and USSR/Russia having a good working relationship.
4. Plus it would make the democrats, the media, and the other ****s shut up about Trump being a Putin puppet.
This post was edited on 2/1/17 at 4:00 pm
Posted on 2/1/17 at 3:51 pm to WeeWee
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Chances that he does any of this? 2%?
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he should give Ukraine the lethal aid and then do whatever he can to increase US oil and gas exports to Europe which will do more damage to the Russian economy than the sanctions ever did.
Chances that he does any of this? 2%?
Posted on 2/1/17 at 4:06 pm to BayouBlitz
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Chances that he does any of this?
Arming Ukraine: 50/50. Tillerson, NATO, and others that are close to Trump support it, but Trump hasn't said much except that he wants better relations with Russia.
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Russia's Gazprom has acknowledged for the first time a threat to its dominant position in European gas market from an expected influx of liquefied natural (LNG) gas produced in the United States under Donald Trump's administration.
Gazprom, which supplies a third of Europe's needs, had previously dismissed possible rivalry from the LNG exports from the United States, saying the costs of transportation via the Atlantic Ocean make it unfeasible.
Trump has picked former Texas Governor Rick Perry to head the Department of Energy. The country's oil and gas industry welcomed his appointment and called on him to make increasing exports of U.S. natural gas a "top priority".
Trump, who takes office on Jan. 20, has made energy a central part of his agenda, has promised to revive oil and gas drilling and coal mining as president by cutting back on federal regulation.
"We see the main source of rivalry from the United States, this is obvious. We don't know what the first steps of the new American administration will be, be judging from its previous statements, it is possible that they will boost their production," Gazprom's Deputy Chief Executive Valery Golubev told a conference in Moscow.
Analysts have speculated the Kremlin-controlled company could retain its dominance in Europe as U.S. gas shippers take advantage of shortages in Asia and Latin America to plug those gaps, but Golubev conceded U.S. plans may have an impact.
"New LNG production capacities (in the U.S.) may have implications for the European market," Golubev said.
There is no ban on natural gas exports, but U.S. law requires American companies to obtain authorization from the Energy Department before being able to ship it overseas, and there are tough permit requirements for building the specialized facilities that make shipping gas possible.
Well seeing how Perry has made increasing US natural gas exports to Europe a priority and the fact that Russia is already admitting that is a legit possibility; I would say the chances of the USA increasing oil and gas exports to Europe is pretty damn good.
Posted on 2/1/17 at 4:11 pm to WeeWee
You're right, we should give them the Syria treatment. Ukrainian refugees >>>>> Syrian refugees
Posted on 2/1/17 at 4:14 pm to joshnorris14
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Looks like a whole lot of not our business
Trump promised that he would not allow Russia to go into Ukraine (after Russia was already in Ukraine)
Posted on 2/1/17 at 4:16 pm to BayouBlitz
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And to those who think a superpower attempting to take over sovereign lands is none of our business.
Why should it be?
Posted on 2/1/17 at 4:20 pm to RogerTheShrubber
Look at all these left wing shits rooting for failure and being real Hawks when their boy completely fricked the Ukrainians.
Trump and tillerson will clean up the mess and the lib pieces of shite will whine about something else.
Trump and tillerson will clean up the mess and the lib pieces of shite will whine about something else.
Posted on 2/1/17 at 4:21 pm to WeeWee
Article says they have been at it for awhile. The ceasefire has not been observed since enacted.
Why in the frick is the AP reporting about it now when people have been firing for the past 3 years?
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