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re: U S Border Patrol, Texas - Lots of Honesty in this :57 Video
Posted on 8/4/14 at 11:10 am to FalseProphet
Posted on 8/4/14 at 11:10 am to FalseProphet
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Could it be that he's just a shitty employee? Why do we have to rush to the conclusion that he's a representative example of all BP agents
That is absolutely a valid point. And it could be true. Just speaking to the only aspect that we are able to ascertain from the video.
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Posted on 8/4/14 at 11:11 am to Pinecone Repair
That just seems wrong. Did you read the cite? I'm fixing to, but that seems implausible.
Posted on 8/4/14 at 11:12 am to FalseProphet
Posted on 8/4/14 at 11:12 am to FalseProphet
And that's why you can't rely on Wikipedia. It was entirely misleading:
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United States v. Brignoni-Ponce, 422 U.S. 873 (1975), was the case in which the Supreme Court determined it was a violation of the Fourth Amendment for a roving patrol car to stop a vehicle solely on the basis of the driver appearing to be of Mexican descent.[1] A roving patrol car must have articulable facts that allow for an officer to have a reasonable suspicion that the person is carrying illegal aliens beyond their ethnicity. The Court handed down a 9-0 decision that affirmed the Circuit Court’s ruling in the case.[2]
Posted on 8/4/14 at 11:14 am to FalseProphet
All that says is that you can't pull someone over because they're Mexican. That's it.
It says nothing about having greater rights inside the borders.
In fact, you can't pull someone over because they're Mexican inside the borders.
It says nothing about having greater rights inside the borders.
In fact, you can't pull someone over because they're Mexican inside the borders.
Posted on 8/4/14 at 11:14 am to Pinecone Repair
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I think the agents at the checkpoints are actually border patrol agents. They actually have more authority to stop vehicles and question occupants at those checkpoints than the border patrol agents who patrol the border.
This is true. I've driven to San Diego a few times and you have to go through these check points.
Posted on 8/4/14 at 11:15 am to FalseProphet
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That just seems wrong. Did you read the cite? I'm fixing to, but that seems implausible.
It's true. Always pissed me off. Don't see how the SCOTUS can rule this constitutional.
Posted on 8/4/14 at 11:17 am to FalseProphet
Right, but checkpoint border patrol agents have more leeway.
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This post was edited on 8/4/14 at 11:18 am
Posted on 8/4/14 at 11:18 am to Pinecone Repair
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Right, but checkpoint border patrol agents have more leeway.
To pull someone over because they're Mexican? That's all Brignone said.
This post was edited on 8/4/14 at 11:20 am
Posted on 8/4/14 at 11:19 am to FalseProphet
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In fact, you can't pull someone over because they're Mexican inside the borders.
No you can't. But this isn't pulling someone over as in a patrol car. You have to drive through.
It's sort of like a DUI check point. Cops can't pull you over without probable cause. But they can temporarily detain you at a check point and ask questions.... which then may lead to probable cause.
But whereas permanent DUI checkpoints are unconstitutional, these are not.
Go figure.
Posted on 8/4/14 at 11:19 am to FalseProphet
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roving patrol car
It does not seem that the CBP Agent was in a roving patrol car.
Posted on 8/4/14 at 11:20 am to Vegas Bengal
Look, that blows my mind. I've done work on BP stations (in lawsuits), and I know many don't think that's the law.
Posted on 8/4/14 at 11:22 am to Vegas Bengal
I don't really get this either. Is it because the checkpoint is permanent and its reasonable to assume the drivers know they are approaching a checkpoint and can avoid it? 
Posted on 8/4/14 at 12:56 pm to Vegas Bengal
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That's not the border. Those are check points.
Ok. Well I guess the word," check" is operative?
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