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Two questions about Palestine territories and actions
Posted on 10/15/23 at 9:11 pm
Posted on 10/15/23 at 9:11 pm
I have been thinking about these two questions and unable to arrive at an answer, so hoping someone in the Political Talk can provide some information:
1. Palestine weapons - I have read the weapons are from Iran or even some from Afghanistan. No matter where the weapons come from, how do these get into the hands of Hamas? I am sure Israel would block shipments crossing into Isreali borders and I don't believe these could be flown in or even arrive by ship if these two methods are checked by Israeli intelligence. So, how do the weapons get to Hamas or into Palestine?
2. Tunnel system in Palestine - I have read about this extensive tunnel system in Palestine. Israeli intelligence is supposed to be top notch, so how were these tunnels built without Israeli knowledge?
Appreciate any thoughts on my two questions...thanks
1. Palestine weapons - I have read the weapons are from Iran or even some from Afghanistan. No matter where the weapons come from, how do these get into the hands of Hamas? I am sure Israel would block shipments crossing into Isreali borders and I don't believe these could be flown in or even arrive by ship if these two methods are checked by Israeli intelligence. So, how do the weapons get to Hamas or into Palestine?
2. Tunnel system in Palestine - I have read about this extensive tunnel system in Palestine. Israeli intelligence is supposed to be top notch, so how were these tunnels built without Israeli knowledge?
Appreciate any thoughts on my two questions...thanks
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Posted on 10/15/23 at 9:13 pm to LC412000
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1. Palestine weapons - I have read the weapons are from Iran or even some from Afghanistan. No matter where the weapons come from, how do these get into the hands of Hamas? I am sure Israel would block shipments crossing into Isreali borders and I don't believe these could be flown in or even arrive by ship if these two methods are checked by Israeli intelligence. So, how do the weapons get to Hamas or into Palestine?
2. Tunnel system in Palestine - I have read about this extensive tunnel system in Palestine. Israeli intelligence is supposed to be top notch, so how were these tunnels built without Israeli knowledge?
The answer to both questions is simple.
Israel knew these attacks were being planned and did nothing to stop them. I wouldn't be surprised if the CIA helped perpetrate these attacks.
Our brand is crisis.
This post was edited on 10/15/23 at 9:14 pm
Posted on 10/15/23 at 9:16 pm to Gideon Swashbuckler
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Israel knew these attacks were being planned and did nothing to stop them.
100% but that's not really the question. Hamas/Palestine has always been able to smuggle in advanced weapons. I suspect they get small pieces at a time then assemble them. As far as AK 47's its probably tunnels. I have no idea bout some of the machinery. Truly odd but impressive that they're able to do anything considering how tightly locked down Gaza has been over the past 17 or so years.
Posted on 10/15/23 at 9:17 pm to BeepNode
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that's not really the question.
I thought when I said that the CIA helped these attacks, it went without saying that the CIA provided the weapons and strategy.
Posted on 10/15/23 at 9:18 pm to BeepNode
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BeepNode
I imagine that is my question, how could they do this if things are so secure by Israel? Things like these rockets and rocket launchers, how were these brought into the occupied territories?
Posted on 10/15/23 at 9:19 pm to Gideon Swashbuckler
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I thought when I said that the CIA helped these attacks, it went without saying that the CIA provided the weapons and strategy.
I mean, I guess it's possible given all the other screwed up stuff they do that works against our best interests, but I kinda took it in jest. It's pretty out there.
Posted on 10/15/23 at 9:22 pm to LC412000
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I imagine that is my question, how could they do this if things are so secure by Israel? Things like these rockets and rocket launchers, how were these brought into the occupied territories?
Israel does let Palestine receive goods and services at their port but its all subject to israeli inspection and control. It's possible they're simply bribing people at the ports to look the other way. Seems like the tunnels would get found quickly but maybe they're going deep and far with the tunnels.
If that's the case, the Mexican cartels should pay Hamas to build tunnels for them.
Posted on 10/15/23 at 9:26 pm to LC412000
1. Say you have a bulk carrier with 10000 tons of coal in it. Underneath the coal, you have 3,000 RPGs. The density (I'm sure there is a USCG baw here that can perfect my layman's description) is such that you can't see the stuff hidden at the bottom. The contraband doesn't come direct from Iran, of course, it's shipped via many intermediaries, and eventually ends up on a ship coming from Cyprus, or Sicily.
Fertilizer is an explosive, but everyone needs it. Hamas has dug up water pipes and turned them into rockets. 5km of water pipe is thousands of rockets.
2. Palestine is not one place. In the West Bank, Israel controls security, so they know if tunnels are being dug, and where. In Gaza, Israel ceded security to the PLO/Hama about 15 years ago. Israel can detect tunnels trying to burrow *through* the border, but not ones that stop on the Gaza side, which is what the terrorists used this time, to blow holes in the security fencing.
Fertilizer is an explosive, but everyone needs it. Hamas has dug up water pipes and turned them into rockets. 5km of water pipe is thousands of rockets.
2. Palestine is not one place. In the West Bank, Israel controls security, so they know if tunnels are being dug, and where. In Gaza, Israel ceded security to the PLO/Hama about 15 years ago. Israel can detect tunnels trying to burrow *through* the border, but not ones that stop on the Gaza side, which is what the terrorists used this time, to blow holes in the security fencing.
Posted on 10/15/23 at 9:30 pm to BeepNode
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I mean, I guess it's possible given all the other screwed up stuff they do that works against our best interests, but I kinda took it in jest. It's pretty out there.
On the contrary, it's not "pretty out there" at all.
Posted on 10/15/23 at 9:37 pm to Gideon Swashbuckler
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Israel knew these attacks were being planned and did nothing to stop them.
Did Israel know something was brewing? Sure.
Did they have specific Intel and let the shite happen? No way.
Posted on 10/15/23 at 9:39 pm to LC412000
wikipedia Gasa Import controls, gives a fairly good review on importation limitations and the control of anything close to military use. and then you have the fishing boats transferring weapons from small freighters. and then you have the tunnels under the Egyptian border to transfer weapons from the camel jockies. Transfer is a little bit every day and after 5-6 years they can do another massacre.
Tunnels location is pretty well known to the isrealies. After every 5 year massacre JDAMS are dropped to shut down the use
Tunnels location is pretty well known to the isrealies. After every 5 year massacre JDAMS are dropped to shut down the use
Posted on 10/15/23 at 9:49 pm to Gideon Swashbuckler
Are you actually this fricking retarded?
Posted on 10/15/23 at 10:04 pm to HailToTheChiz
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Did Israel know something was brewing? Sure.
Did they have specific Intel and let the shite happen? No way.
It's almost as absurd as imagining North Koreans going across the border/DMZ for hours kidnapping people and bringing them BACK across the border. At 15 different locations.
I don't think the lay person understands how locked down the borders are between Gaza and Israel. On top of that it was a day of significance. Very suspicious indeed.
My guess is that they needed an attack to rally support and make themselves the Ukraine in the situation where you can't question anything or else it means you support terrorism but they didn't know it would be as bad as it was.
Posted on 10/15/23 at 10:04 pm to LC412000
They have tunnels where everything is smuggled in. Israel knows it is going on but can do nothing to stop it. Think about it, how could they stop it without invading? Israel has zero control over Gaza as they pulled out of there in like 2005. So it's not like they can conduct "Police" operations there.
Now that Hamas has declared war, Israel has the right to invade and shut it down once and for all, which is what they will do. They will not stop until every known member of Hamas is dead and their entire infrastructure is destroyed.
And Hamas members will not be safe in Qatar or Lebanon or Iran. Mossad has demonstrated time and again they can assassinate and/or kidnap people anywhere. And they will take out anyone who helps harbor Hamas members.
Now that Hamas has declared war, Israel has the right to invade and shut it down once and for all, which is what they will do. They will not stop until every known member of Hamas is dead and their entire infrastructure is destroyed.
And Hamas members will not be safe in Qatar or Lebanon or Iran. Mossad has demonstrated time and again they can assassinate and/or kidnap people anywhere. And they will take out anyone who helps harbor Hamas members.
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