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Trump makes $1.5 billion request to Congress for border wall
Posted on 3/15/17 at 11:59 pm
Posted on 3/15/17 at 11:59 pm
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And here we go...
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President Trump will ask Congress for $1.5 billion this year to begin work on the wall he promised to build at the U.S.-Mexico border.
The money is part of a $30 billion supplemental spending request that's being sent to lawmakers on Thursday, according to White House budget director Mick Mulvaney.
The request could trigger a fierce partisan showdown over the controversial wall proposal, as well as Trump's broader efforts to crack down on illegal immigration.
And here we go...
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Posted on 3/16/17 at 12:04 am to Rakim
Arts vs. Wall
Wall trumps art everyday in government's innate responsibility
Wall trumps art everyday in government's innate responsibility
Posted on 3/16/17 at 12:04 am to Rakim
That wall is being built.
Posted on 3/16/17 at 12:04 am to IceTiger
Why can't we have both?
Just make art on the wall.
Just make art on the wall.
Posted on 3/16/17 at 12:06 am to John McClane
Art and a wall.
Posted on 3/16/17 at 12:26 am to IceTiger
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Wall trumps art everyday in government's innate responsibility
Border security is a core responsibility of government.
This post was edited on 3/16/17 at 12:27 am
Posted on 3/16/17 at 12:41 am to member12
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Border security is a core responsibility of government.
building an insanely expensive wall doesn't make our borders any more "secure"... having people patrol the border does...
the most secure border in the world is between N and S Korea... do they have a humongous wall along their border? frick no... they have armed, trained military personnel walking that fricker every single minute of every single day...
wanna spend money to secure the border, fine... just spend it more wisely.... we don't need a literal wall...
Posted on 3/16/17 at 12:43 am to IceTiger
quote:
Wall trumps art everyday in government's innate responsibility
Posted on 3/16/17 at 12:44 am to chRxis
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building an insanely expensive wall doesn't make our borders any more "secure"... having people patrol the border does...
Why not have both? And if you want to know what a wall will do for border security, just ask the Israelis.
Posted on 3/16/17 at 12:44 am to chRxis
There are secure fences, a live mine field and a tank wall just south of the DMZ.
Posted on 3/16/17 at 12:46 am to Rakim
Hmmm, seems like a core responsibility of the government.. Heck, I'll throw a $100 bill their way if need be.
Posted on 3/16/17 at 12:49 am to RollTide1987
quote:
Why not have both?
How do we make that revenue neutral? Also Trump already called for the increase in ICE and Border Patrol agents.
Posted on 3/16/17 at 12:53 am to Foot
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There are secure fences, a live mine field and a tank wall just south of the DMZ.
a large majority of the DMZ is just fence, with razor wire on top, and of course the mine field....
the tank wall does not run the entire length...
Posted on 3/16/17 at 12:57 am to RollTide1987
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Why not have both?
because we don't need both... we don't need to waste money on a fricking wall and the false sense of security that it would bring....
wanna stop people from crossing illegally? hire more agents and/or put active duty military personnel there to patrol the border 24/7/365...
Posted on 3/16/17 at 1:04 am to chRxis
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wanna stop people from crossing illegally? hire more agents and/or put active duty military personnel there to patrol the border 24/7/365...
Is that more cost effective in the long run?
Posted on 3/16/17 at 1:06 am to noonan
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Is that more cost effective in the long run?
100% most definitely it is. Technology and more agents will be MUCH more cost effective than a symbolic wall which people can boat around that costs loads to build and even more to maintain over the years.
Posted on 3/16/17 at 1:09 am to chRxis
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because we don't need both... we don't need to waste money on a fricking wall and the false sense of security that it would bring....
wanna stop people from crossing illegally? hire more agents and/or put active duty military personnel there to patrol the border 24/7/365...
What is your background?
This post was edited on 3/16/17 at 2:39 am
Posted on 3/16/17 at 1:14 am to Tiger Tracker
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Technology and more agents will be MUCH more cost effective than a symbolic wall which people can boat around that costs loads to build and even more to maintain over the years.
Concrete would not need much maintenance, it's low cost once in place. Furthermore, a "symbolic" wall coupled with technology would be safer and cheaper in the long term than funding 10s of thousands of boarder agents.
It is absolutely asinine that people believe paying boarder agents is more cost effective. Hell, even if the 20,000 or so only cost taxpayers 30k each per year, that's over half a billion a year, and that's not even considering collateral costs.
Physical barriers are effective in slowing incoming objects/people. Couple it with motion sensors, border crossings fall to an almost non-existing number.
This post was edited on 3/16/17 at 1:18 am
Posted on 3/16/17 at 1:22 am to AUsteriskPride
The issue i have is "cost effective" the cost maybe lowe, but i dont believe it's going to be effective in the least.
I don't disagree the cost for more agents is more costly over a long period of time, but i dont think it's more cost effective.
I don't disagree the cost for more agents is more costly over a long period of time, but i dont think it's more cost effective.
Posted on 3/16/17 at 5:07 am to chRxis
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building an insanely expensive wall doesn't make our borders any more "secure"... having people patrol the border does...
except it is not "insanely expensive" (where did you find that horse shite?) and having the wall makes the people doing the enforcement way more effective
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