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Trump is the modern Charles "The Hammer" Martel
Posted on 12/14/16 at 1:23 pm
Posted on 12/14/16 at 1:23 pm
For those who slept through history class, Charles "The Hammer" defeated a Muslim army at the Battle of Tours in 732, halting the spread of Islam into Europe.
When Trump said Hillary wants a 550% increase in Syrian refugees over Obama's program, he wasn't just throwing out a random stat to sound like a politician. He was echoing a battle cry that goes back nearly 1300 years.
Charles "The Hammer" Martel, the spiritual ancestor of Donald J. Trump
When Trump said Hillary wants a 550% increase in Syrian refugees over Obama's program, he wasn't just throwing out a random stat to sound like a politician. He was echoing a battle cry that goes back nearly 1300 years.
Charles "The Hammer" Martel, the spiritual ancestor of Donald J. Trump
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Posted on 12/14/16 at 1:25 pm to RidiculousHype
I have often wondered what the religion of peace was doing with a huge army in France pre-crusades.
Posted on 12/14/16 at 1:26 pm to RidiculousHype
If it wasn't for Charles Martel, Europe would be praying to Mecca.
Posted on 12/14/16 at 1:27 pm to gthog61
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I have often wondered what the religion of peace was doing with a huge army in France pre-crusades.
Don't let the racist/fascist/whatever conservatives lie to you and spin history.
That huge Muslim army was here for a cultural exchange! But they were attacked (the poor lambs!) by the evil white people of Europe!
Islam is a religion of peace.
Posted on 12/14/16 at 1:31 pm to LordSaintly
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If it wasn't for Charles Martel, Europe would be praying to Mecca.
A lot of them are today
Posted on 12/14/16 at 1:31 pm to RidiculousHype
I fancy myself as the modern Rick "The Model" Martel
Posted on 12/14/16 at 1:38 pm to RidiculousHype
Odds are that Martel is an ancestor of Trump, as well as a good number of us.
Posted on 12/14/16 at 1:43 pm to LordSaintly
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If it wasn't for Charles Martel, Europe would be praying to Mecca.
Vlad the Impaler helped out quite a bit on the Eastern front
Not to take away from Martel because he was important for Europe, but if we are being completely honest the only reason Europe isn't Muslim now is the Mongols. They annihilated Islam at its peak.
Posted on 12/14/16 at 2:08 pm to RidiculousHype
quote:Redundant. Martel is French for "hammer." He got the name after his deeds. Just sayin'.
Charles "The Hammer" Martel
And I disagree. Le Pen will hopefully be the Charles Martel of our day.
ETA: and Martel didn't halt the spread of Islam into Europe. Tours (or poitier as some call it) was a turning point, but islamic incursion continued for centuries and goes on to this day.
In fact, the most wrongfully villified person in history, Vlad Dracula, spent his whole adult life fighting islamic incursion. Muslims have never stopped trying to conquer Europe. This cannot be understated. They have never stopped, and the last few years have been a huge historic victory for them.
This post was edited on 12/14/16 at 2:13 pm
Posted on 12/14/16 at 2:12 pm to TheFonz
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Odds are that Martel is an ancestor of Trump, as well as a good number of us.
It's pretty much a statistical certainty.
Posted on 12/14/16 at 2:13 pm to Eli Goldfinger
Charles Martel was a xenophobic racist and was most likely in close coordination with the Russians.
Posted on 12/14/16 at 2:14 pm to RidiculousHype
Actually, Martel's victory at Tours didn't really mean much. An Islamic invasion followed just a couple years later.
Martel's true significance was boosting the role of the church with regard to the legitimacy of the Frankish government and plotting the smooth transition from the Merovingian dynasty to his own family after his death.
Martel's true significance was boosting the role of the church with regard to the legitimacy of the Frankish government and plotting the smooth transition from the Merovingian dynasty to his own family after his death.
Posted on 12/14/16 at 2:46 pm to TN Bhoy
quote:It was a major turning point. Though the incursions continued, without his victory, Europe would have gone islamic by the end of the century.
Actually, Martel's victory at Tours didn't really mean much. An Islamic invasion followed just a couple years later.
quote:His son was a great leader, but Charles would be long dead before his grandson became likely the quintessential ruler of all time.
Martel's true significance was boosting the role of the church with regard to the legitimacy of the Frankish government and plotting the smooth transition from the Merovingian dynasty to his own family after his death.
But to be accurate, Pepin was the one who deposed the "long haired kings."
Posted on 12/14/16 at 2:55 pm to blueboy
Pepin sounds like Pepe...hmmmm.....
Posted on 12/14/16 at 3:02 pm to RidiculousHype
DEUS VULT
Posted on 12/14/16 at 3:14 pm to blueboy
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But to be accurate, Pepin was the one who deposed the "long haired kings."
Yes, but it was Martel who laid the groundwork for the family to take over, mainly by tying his family to the (still largely Roman) church.
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It was a major turning point. Though the incursions continued, without his victory, Europe would have gone islamic by the end of the century.
It really wasn't. The Battle of Tours is just another of those things that was given greater significance later when it had almost none originally (see also, the 'Great Schism of 1054' and the 'Fall of Rome in 476').
If you're interested, I'd recommend reading some of Paul Fouracre's work on the subject.
Posted on 12/14/16 at 3:14 pm to Bestbank Tiger
Pepin the Short, they called him.
Kinda like short fingers? Short stature? Eh? Eh?
Kinda like short fingers? Short stature? Eh? Eh?
Posted on 12/14/16 at 3:21 pm to blueboy
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without his victory, Europe would have gone islamic by the end of the century.
umm, no.
even if muslims had significantly penetrated into france, by the time the umayyad empire was overthrown back in damascus (in 750) the muslims in spain and any that were theoretically in france, were militarily and diplomatically isolated from the larger abbasid empire. in other words, they would have been on their own.
the cordoba caliphate and almoravids, for example, traded with and had cultural interaction with the abbasids, but their isolation is what facilitated the reconquista. the same thing would have happened on an even more rapid time frame in france.
Posted on 12/14/16 at 3:23 pm to TN Bhoy
Couldn't disagree more. Muslims were rapidly incurring into Europe. Charles' victory sent a message to the islamic world that they would meet stern opposition from capable commanders.
Continental unity is the reason, IMO, that Charlemagne created feudalism. There had to be a system that all of the territorial rulers united behind - for the specific purpose of fighting islamic incursion.
The fact that islamic incursions continued would seem to support your argument, but the rate of conquest was greatly slowed by Charles at Tours (Poitier). It was a major turning point, and even the most critical historians concede this.
Except for the podcast guy, apparently.
Continental unity is the reason, IMO, that Charlemagne created feudalism. There had to be a system that all of the territorial rulers united behind - for the specific purpose of fighting islamic incursion.
The fact that islamic incursions continued would seem to support your argument, but the rate of conquest was greatly slowed by Charles at Tours (Poitier). It was a major turning point, and even the most critical historians concede this.
Except for the podcast guy, apparently.
Posted on 12/14/16 at 3:30 pm to Bunsbert Montcroff
quote:Ummm yeah.
umm, no.
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