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re: Trump appointed judge releases J6 defendant early in rebuke of DOJ warnings
Posted on 3/29/24 at 11:11 am to Plx1776
Posted on 3/29/24 at 11:11 am to Plx1776
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Those who were violent, should be punished to the fullest extent of the law.
These are the people who typically get the big sentences.
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I acknowledge that idiots could be coaxed into the Capitol building... because mobs are like that, easily manipulated
The people who ONLY did this weren't all charged and at worst got a misdemeanor with some supervision.
There are like 5 classes of J6ers
1. People involved in larger conspiracies like the Oath Keepers and Proud Boys.
2. People who were violent
3. People who obstructed Congress
4. People who only effectively trespassed
5. People who were at the capitol grounds but weren't involved in 1-4.
There is this narrative that everyone 1-5 is being treated by the government like the guys in groups 1-3, when that's not true. On the flip side, there is a narrative that 1-3 don't exist, when that's also not true.
Now, if the Supreme Court says that the law making the behavior of group 3 was not properly interpreted, then that group is eliminated and we only have 4.
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Posted on 3/29/24 at 11:12 am to the808bass
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overrides his not-so-deeply-held political ideology.
Even my desire to eliminate most criminal laws doesn't include trespassing and violent crimes
Posted on 3/29/24 at 11:13 am to SirWinston
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It's still playing out IMO. J6 caused Dem / Fed overreach towards Trump which lifted him to the nomination without seriously campaigning (he was tied with RDS prior to the raid on MAL).
And what if it causes him to become ineligible via Congressional Act?
"Still playing out" cuts both ways.
Posted on 3/29/24 at 11:18 am to SlowFlowPro
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, they should be ostracized, marginalized, and mocked until they never come out of hiding.
Should we say the same for Civil rights protestors in the 60s?
Posted on 3/29/24 at 11:18 am to SlowFlowPro
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insurrection
That was no insurrection. In a country with a second amendment, for one to call that an insurrection is blatantly ignorant. Fact is you know this, yet choose to act as a pawn in your own existence.
Posted on 3/29/24 at 11:18 am to TrueTiger
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Should we say the same for Civil rights protestors in the 60s?
No.
Posted on 3/29/24 at 11:19 am to bayoumuscle21
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That was no insurrection.
No fricking shite. That was what I was arguing.
Try to keep up.
Posted on 3/29/24 at 11:20 am to SlowFlowPro
It seems that everyone prefers that government tread lightly on protesters that they agree with.
Posted on 3/29/24 at 11:22 am to TrueTiger
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It seems that everyone prefers that government tread lightly on protesters that they agree with.
There are causes worthy of protests that can venture into misdemeanor territory.
The civil rights were one of those causes.
Whatever stupidity the idiots at J6 believed was not.
There is some point between those 2 where a debate can be had, but those 2 are on such distant poles they're not comparable.
ETA: This is a major issue with whataboutism. People are bad at making legitimate comparisons. I know you were using an extreme example, but it's a good illustration for the class.
This post was edited on 3/29/24 at 11:23 am
Posted on 3/29/24 at 11:26 am to SlowFlowPro
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but those 2 are on such distant poles they're not comparable.
Like he said,
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It seems that everyone prefers that government tread lightly on protesters that they agree with.
You should find the idea that the "justice" system takes politics into account when handing down punishment repulsive.
Posted on 3/29/24 at 11:27 am to SlowFlowPro
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the idiots at J6 believed
I'm not saying they were correct in their beliefs,
But if they sincerely believed that a high tech illegal coup was taking place and that they were saving the country then we should expect that behavior, otherwise they would be cowards.
Posted on 3/29/24 at 11:29 am to SlowFlowPro
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Whatever stupidity the idiots at J6 believed was not.
It was enough for congress to convene and pass legislation.
Posted on 3/29/24 at 11:31 am to SlowFlowPro
Not a very impressive day for you. Way way over the top on nearly everything across the board, and I can tell you’re throwing out conclusions on a number of things without knowing what you’re talking about. Self-confidence is a very beneficial trait, but it can get away from you quickly and start producing negative results.
Barrister to barrister
Barrister to barrister
Posted on 3/29/24 at 11:33 am to SlowFlowPro
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At the least, we can accept a definition that it involved disrupting an official proceeding of Congress.
Sure. When has this charge been used before? It’s certainly happened before.
Posted on 3/29/24 at 11:34 am to SlowFlowPro
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Whataboutism has entered the chat
You should write a kid’s book.
“Everything that Makes My Hypocrisy Clear is Whataboutism”
Posted on 3/29/24 at 11:35 am to SlowFlowPro
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There are causes worthy of protests that can venture into misdemeanor territory.
L to the O fricking L
Posted on 3/29/24 at 12:27 pm to Plx1776
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No national guard...and the police were passive. DC wanted that riot to happen.
So you're saying the maga weirdos need tight controls or they just go off the rails?
This post was edited on 3/29/24 at 12:37 pm
Posted on 3/29/24 at 12:29 pm to Flats
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You should find the idea that the "justice" system takes politics into account when handing down punishment repulsive.
I have a solution for this.
Hence my earlier comment:
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The issue of criminality is above J6ers.
Posted on 3/29/24 at 12:30 pm to TrueTiger
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But if they sincerely believed that a high tech illegal coup was taking place
They're idiots.
Again, comparing a literal mob of idiots (violent ones, at that) pushing complete lunacy is not comparable to fighting for basic civil rights of non-whites and women.
Posted on 3/29/24 at 12:30 pm to SlowFlowPro
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I have a solution for this.
You have a solution for something you just defended?
Ok, I guess.
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