re: Transgender Kindergartner's rights

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I have no idea the specific explanation for it, but it is very real and very powerful.

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It's called "sin". And yes, it's very real and very powerful.

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So a 7 year old is "sinning" when he/she asserts her gender as the opposite?

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Is a 7 year old capable of deciding their gender? 7 year olds can barely be trusted to dress themselves, let alone decide if they should identify themselves as a "boy" or "girl"

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Yes, it would appear that they can have significant tendencies which they are willing to assert from a very early age in that regard.

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Yes, I'm sure there are tendencies. Are you willing to assert that there are no potential dangers in "endorsing" these tendencies and a 7-year-old male's decision to become a girl?

What makes a girl a "girl?" What makes a boy a "boy?"

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Maybe, maybe not. In the single instance I have witnessed this first hand, it was basically totally obvious that it wasn't just a phase. The parents fought it for several years before realizing it just was what it was. Now that the child is nearing adulthood, I can say they are quite at ease with their decision to "endorse" the tendency rather than fight it.

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I get you here, and though it is not my particular cup of tea, I understand that there are individuals who deal with this type of gender-identity issue.

However, my problem stems from the concern that there will be kids who are indeed just going through a phase who will have their behavior praised and normalized to the point where it could severely affect them later on. My brother, bless his soul, went through a phase when he was younger where he absolutely loved the troll dolls (those things with the crazy hair) and his favorite movie was my little pony and the purple ooze. Trust me when I say that the guy is straight as an arrow and was an all-county pitcher and fullback. He is in no way gender-confused. What would have happened if my parents noticed his tendencies when he was younger and started thinking "he seems to be drawn to girl toys. Maybe we should get him more because that's what he seems to be identifying as." Again, this goes back to what makes a boy a "boy" and a girl a "girl."

If parents and children want to entertain the confused gender issue, then I will wish them well and hope it works out for them. However, this law now makes it other people's problem. Try as I might, I cannot blame a father of a 14 year old girl for not wanting a "gender-confused" male to be in the bathroom with her.

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No offense, but that example to me is just silly. The one I witnessed was extremely in excess of what you have described. The child relentlessly asserted that he believed he was a girl. It had nothing to do with playing with dolls. It had to do with - quite literally - the child behaving as and believing he was really a girl.

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But who are you to say that? What if a parent(s) did see it that way? Where is the line drawn that if you cross it, you can now use the opposite sex's bathroom? You seem to have had experience with a case like this, but if we are dealing with dynamics as complex as you claim them to be, how can it possibly be so black-and-white?

Again, my issue with the law is now it makes it everyone's problem. Go read my post on page 2 and answer my questions about the parents and the teacher. That's not a challenge or anything. I'm just curious as to what your answers would be.

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On a related note, when someone is gay, should they still be allowed to go into their sex's bathroom?

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Good question. Here's another one though.

If this law were to widen to incorporate restrooms in all public areas in California, how do females in the women's restroom know if a male who just walked in identifies as a woman? Do they just take it on good faith? Does the transgender person have to wear a badge?

Seriously, what's to stop a heterosexual male from walking into the women's restroom at a public museum and saying "it's cool. I'm a woman."

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Well, it's bound to happen sooner or later....eventually along will come a 6-foot-5 male who identifies as female and wants to play on the girls b-ball team. It will be quite interesting to see how the players, fans, coaches, and parents of the opposing team feel about that. Even more interesting to see what happens when NCAA women's basketball recruiting season comes around. Will the NCAA be forced to allow males who identify as female to play on women's teams? What if universities refuse to offer him a women's basketball scholarship? Will we have a major civil right issue on our hands here?

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Related question - Did anyone ever confirm that former Baylor standout and current WNBA star Britney Griner was, in fact, female and not a M2F trans?

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why don't they accept the scientific fact that if you have a penis you're a male if you have a vagina you're female. Period.

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Because the science on it is nowhere near that clear for 100% of the population. There are human beings at the margin that challenge the simplicity of these designations.

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So ummm what happens if the parents of 4 year old boy refuse to buy him dresses or attempt to dissuade him from playing with dolls? Would that be considered a form of child abuse or neglect? Can child protective services get involved?

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It's hard to say. You should look up some of the research on this. I saw a good documentary awhile back that followed parents grappling with these questions. Abuse never seemed to enter the picture.

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What about a teacher who overhears their female first-grader comment that her parents didn't get her teenage mutant ninja turtle action figures for Christmas? Is the teacher required to report that as a possible case of the girls transgender rights being violated? Is an investigation conducted?

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I suppose you can imagine some slippery slope world where this would happen, but the current situation leaves me unworried about such a thing.

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This is even better. Someone please tell me who the intellectual giants were who decided that boys and girls were segregated athletically because of cultural or social reasons instead of physiological ones.

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I think you are merging 2 separate issues. The true cases of "transgender-ness" are pretty uncommon.

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Well, it's bound to happen sooner or later....eventually along will come a 6-foot-5 male who identifies as female and wants to play on the girls b-ball team. It will be quite interesting to see how the players, fans, coaches, and parents of the opposing team feel about that. Even more interesting to see what happens when NCAA women's basketball recruiting season comes around. Will the NCAA be forced to allow males who identify as female to play on women's teams? What if universities refuse to offer him a women's basketball scholarship? Will we have a major civil right issue on our hands here?

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Wasn't this question somewhat addressed in the Olympics with that South African gal?

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and honestly I don't see why good christians wouldn't have sympathy for someone thinking they were of the opposite of their birth assigned sex. Can you imagine how hard that is? Its not like they believe this b.c society embraces this, they have to come a very hard decision.

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I agree. The vitriol saddens me.