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Tillerson and Kelly meet with Peña Nieto today

Posted on 2/22/17 at 12:17 pm
Posted by joshnorris14
Florida
Member since Jan 2009
45232 posts
Posted on 2/22/17 at 12:17 pm
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That's the backdrop as Tillerson and Homeland Security Secretary John Kelly arrive in Mexico for meetings with Peña Nieto, Mexican ministers and military officials. The trip is meant to allow the new US Cabinet members to establish relationships and coordinate on bilateral issues that range from counterterrorism, border security, immigration and trade that amounts to $1.5 billion a day. But the secretaries make their debut under a cloud.


"Today's rhetoric is forcing Mexicans everywhere to question the unquestionable: Did the country make a mistake 25 years ago by betting its future on North America?" asked Peter Schecter, director of the Adrienne Arsht Latin America Center at the Atlantic Council. "No relationship is perfect, and there is much to develop and improve in Mexico. But by ostracizing our neighbor, we are in imminent danger of dismantling the North American experiment we've built over the last 20-plus years."


In a reflection of how broad the US-Mexico relationship is, Tillerson and Kelly will meet with the Mexican ministers of Interior, Foreign Relations, Finance, National Defense and Navy.


Their trip takes place a day after the Trump administration announced new and aggressive immigration enforcement procedures that could dramatically expand the number of people detained and deported, and directly impact Mexico.
This post was edited on 2/22/17 at 12:18 pm
Posted by VirgilCaine
Orchard Park
Member since Dec 2010
2865 posts
Posted on 2/22/17 at 12:22 pm to
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"Today's rhetoric is forcing Mexicans everywhere to question the unquestionable: Did the country make a mistake 25 years ago by betting its future on North America?" asked Peter Schecter, director of the Adrienne Arsht Latin America Center at the Atlantic Council


Ummm would they rather be tied to Central/South America?

quote:

"No relationship is perfect, and there is much to develop and improve in Mexico


"Please don't hold a country responsible for it's culture and failures"

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But by ostracizing our neighbor, we are in imminent danger of dismantling the North American experiment we've built over the last 20-plus years."



I think the general trend in Western societies is getting back to self-determinism and not this global utopian "experiment" that has been horrid.
Posted by Texas Weazel
Louisiana is a shithole
Member since Oct 2016
8541 posts
Posted on 2/22/17 at 12:24 pm to
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"Please don't hold a country responsible for it's culture and failures"

It really works both ways. See drug war.
Posted by FooManChoo
Member since Dec 2012
41689 posts
Posted on 2/22/17 at 12:27 pm to
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"But by ostracizing our neighbor, we are in imminent danger of dismantling the North American experiment we've built over the last 20-plus years."
You mean the experiment to subsidize Mexico?
Posted by VirgilCaine
Orchard Park
Member since Dec 2010
2865 posts
Posted on 2/22/17 at 12:30 pm to
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It really works both ways. See drug war.



My point was more to the free reign of drug cartels in Mexico and Central America over the past 50 years.

Immorality certainly abounds in the US, but there's still a reason why people risk life and limb to gain entry here from Mexico.
Posted by Damone
FoCo
Member since Aug 2016
32876 posts
Posted on 2/22/17 at 12:30 pm to
Can't Vex the Rex
Posted by PoundFoolish
East Texas
Member since Jul 2016
3724 posts
Posted on 2/22/17 at 12:31 pm to
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My point was more to the free reign of drug cartels in Mexico and Central America over the past 50 years.

Immorality certainly abounds in the US, but there's still a reason why people risk life and limb to gain entry here from Mexico


More to the point, there is overwhelming evidence that our culture is better than there culture . . . and always has been and access to our culture shouldn't be a two way street.
Posted by Lou Pai
Member since Dec 2014
28126 posts
Posted on 2/22/17 at 12:33 pm to
Now we are going down the chain in terms of negotiating with this hapless buffoon...top flight guys, but not the top guy.


Alpha AF
This post was edited on 2/22/17 at 12:35 pm
Posted by deltaland
Member since Mar 2011
90704 posts
Posted on 2/22/17 at 12:34 pm to
Can't kill the Till
Posted by KCT
Psalm 23:5
Member since Feb 2010
38911 posts
Posted on 2/22/17 at 12:34 pm to
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"Today's rhetoric is forcing Mexicans everywhere to question the unquestionable: Did the country make a mistake 25 years ago by betting its future on North America?" 


Shouldn't they have been betting on Mexico?

You know, on themselves?
Posted by joshnorris14
Florida
Member since Jan 2009
45232 posts
Posted on 2/22/17 at 12:39 pm to
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Now we are going down the chain in terms of negotiating with this hapless buffoon...top flight guys, but not the top guy.


The CEO of the largest non-tech company negotiating against someone who can't even stand up to local gangs
Posted by Lou Pai
Member since Dec 2014
28126 posts
Posted on 2/22/17 at 12:43 pm to
Right, but this is a classic negotiating tactic. Trump shouldn't even agree to meet with him again in person until they at least agree to pay for the Wall. Until then, if they don't start playing ball NOW, send emissaries of progressively lower rank until eventually you have the likes of Draconian Sanctions sitting across the table from him.
Posted by el Gaucho
He/They
Member since Dec 2010
53019 posts
Posted on 2/22/17 at 12:44 pm to
We're gonna break the Peñieta folks
Posted by Big12fan
Dallas
Member since Nov 2011
5340 posts
Posted on 2/22/17 at 12:46 pm to
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The CEO of the largest non-tech company negotiating against someone who can't even stand up to local gangs


Tillerson's Russia dealings have certainly given him experience in dealing with thugs and criminals. He operates on a rational "give and take" basis. If Trump doesn't meddle, Rex has a has a chance of resolving some critical issues.
Posted by LSURulzSEC
Lake Charles via Oakdale
Member since Aug 2004
77324 posts
Posted on 2/22/17 at 12:47 pm to
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Today's rhetoric is forcing Mexicans everywhere to question the unquestionable: Did the country make a mistake 25 years ago by betting its future on North America?



Would they had rather the US held on to Mexico and divided it up into several states after conquering it in the Mexican War in hindsight?
Posted by NC_Tigah
Carolinas
Member since Sep 2003
123945 posts
Posted on 2/22/17 at 1:53 pm to
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Tillerson and Kelly meet with Peña Nieto today
Sounds like they are there to "mend fences" . . . . so to speak.
Posted by mofungoo
Baton Rouge
Member since Nov 2012
4583 posts
Posted on 2/22/17 at 2:52 pm to
Tillerson and Kelly went to pick up the first installment payment for the wall.
This post was edited on 2/22/17 at 2:53 pm
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