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re: Thomas Sowell is no fan of Ted Cruz
Posted on 2/19/14 at 10:21 am to Politiceaux
Posted on 2/19/14 at 10:21 am to Politiceaux
Unfortunately to acquire political power you have to seek political power. And I have distrust for all who seek political power. The methods people use to seek power are not all the same. Criticizing people for the methods they use is not only acceptable, but desirable in my opinion. As such, I appreciate Sowell's addressing the approach Cruz is taking to acquire political power, and I concur with his observation that Cruz may not be doing the cause as much good as he is doing himself.
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Posted on 2/19/14 at 10:22 am to Politiceaux
So Sowell wants people to keep voting for Rinos and going along with the status quo in hopes that they one day will get the message and change on their own? Yeah that will happen.
Posted on 2/19/14 at 10:42 am to Revelator
Sowell is right. So is Cruz.
Problem is neither one can make arguments that outweigh free stuff.
This has to get a lot worse before it gets better.
MAYBE the libertarian bent of people like Rand Paul can win out, but that's the only shot and it's a long one.
Establishment Republicans should know by now that the game is up. They are just trying to hold onto second place.
Problem is neither one can make arguments that outweigh free stuff.
This has to get a lot worse before it gets better.
MAYBE the libertarian bent of people like Rand Paul can win out, but that's the only shot and it's a long one.
Establishment Republicans should know by now that the game is up. They are just trying to hold onto second place.
Posted on 2/19/14 at 10:45 am to navy
What's the old saying? The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, and expecting different results. The Establishment of both parties have "created" a $17 Trillion dollar debt (and rising by the second). I don't agree with Sowell, who seems to be implying that any 2016 candidate with an (R) after his name will have both the vision and the guts to turn things around. Nominating and electing an Establishment Republican might save us from having the likes of an Eric Holder serve as Attorney General, but I think we've already seen that the fundamental problems being faced by this country won't be defeated, or even seriously addressed, by electing an establishment candidate of EITHER PARTY.
As for Sowell's take on Cruz, a couple of points. First of all, all politicians have big egos and personal aspirations. In and of itself, that is not a bad thing. Are Cruz's ego and personal ambitions such that he could possibly be a crash and burn victim? It's possible, but I haven't seen anything yet which would support that assumption.
Secondly, I would encourage Thomas Sowell to take a closer look at some of the things Ted Cruz has tried to do. As of February, 2014 does the attempt to defund Obamacare really look like a bad idea? I mean, let's look at the reality of the situation. Right now, Obama has a signature piece of legislation that HE IS AFRAID TO IMPLEMENT. Seriously, the employer mandate has been delayed for how long now? 2016? Anybody think it will kick in before the 2016 presidential election?
So, just how bad is Cruz looking for having tried to defund Obamacare? I'd say that any rational, objective analysis on this matter makes Ted Cruz look pretty damn good right now.
The status quo has us on a path towards financial collapse. Personally, I'm more than willing to entertain some new ideas from the likes of Ted Cruz and Rand Paul.
As for Sowell's take on Cruz, a couple of points. First of all, all politicians have big egos and personal aspirations. In and of itself, that is not a bad thing. Are Cruz's ego and personal ambitions such that he could possibly be a crash and burn victim? It's possible, but I haven't seen anything yet which would support that assumption.
Secondly, I would encourage Thomas Sowell to take a closer look at some of the things Ted Cruz has tried to do. As of February, 2014 does the attempt to defund Obamacare really look like a bad idea? I mean, let's look at the reality of the situation. Right now, Obama has a signature piece of legislation that HE IS AFRAID TO IMPLEMENT. Seriously, the employer mandate has been delayed for how long now? 2016? Anybody think it will kick in before the 2016 presidential election?
So, just how bad is Cruz looking for having tried to defund Obamacare? I'd say that any rational, objective analysis on this matter makes Ted Cruz look pretty damn good right now.
The status quo has us on a path towards financial collapse. Personally, I'm more than willing to entertain some new ideas from the likes of Ted Cruz and Rand Paul.
Posted on 2/19/14 at 11:07 am to KCT
Well put. 
Posted on 2/19/14 at 11:25 am to Poodlebrain
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Unfortunately to acquire political power you have to seek political power. And I have distrust for all who seek political power. The methods people use to seek power are not all the same. Criticizing people for the methods they use is not only acceptable, but desirable in my opinion. As such, I appreciate Sowell's addressing the approach Cruz is taking to acquire political power, and I concur with his observation that Cruz may not be doing the cause as much good as he is doing himself.
Truly the beginning of the end of the modern Republican party was their failure to pass term limits with the House republican take over in the mid 90's and the Gringrich's contract with America...
Gingrich was the leading smart "conservative" and look how quickly he was corrupted pursuing the political power he railed against.
Term limits is the antedote to well meaning politicos seeking power... with it there would likely be no need for a "tea party" to fight the tyranny of the political establishment class.
Posted on 2/19/14 at 11:27 am to MMauler
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didn't the establishment say the same things about Ronald Reagan in the late 70's?
DING!
Posted on 2/19/14 at 11:29 am to Politiceaux
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But there are already disquieting signs that he is looking out for Ted Cruz — even if that sets back the causes he claims to be serving.
Bingo! Cruz only cares about riling up the Tea Party folks to further his own cause. If there was a Democratic equivalent to the Tea Party, Mary Landrieu and Kay Hagan would be facing primary challenges, but the DNC knows that Landrieu and Hagan are the best they're going to get in these states. The Republican party would control the Senate today if it was more pragmatic and less ideological.
Posted on 2/19/14 at 11:30 am to Politiceaux
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While that may be true, one needs to realize that Romney's share of the vote among whites, blacks and latinos would have given him a landslide victory if the country's demographics were the same as in 1980 and 1984. The same shares of the same coalitions from 30+ years ago simply aren't enough to win nationally anymore. That's an objective fact.
Actually Romney got a larger percent of the White vote than Reagna did in 1980.
Posted on 2/19/14 at 11:39 am to trackfan
Trackfan, was Cruz wrong about Obamacare?
If you say Cruz was/is wrong about Obamacare, then why does Obama keep delaying the full implementation of his signature piece of legislation?
You know, maybe there's a little more going on than can be ignored by simply saying that he likes to stir people up.
If you say Cruz was/is wrong about Obamacare, then why does Obama keep delaying the full implementation of his signature piece of legislation?
You know, maybe there's a little more going on than can be ignored by simply saying that he likes to stir people up.
Posted on 2/19/14 at 11:47 am to KCT
I thought the thread was about Cruz, not Obama. Sowell is accusing Cruz of serving his own interests more than his party.
Posted on 2/19/14 at 11:47 am to trackfan
quote:that is a little misleading because 3 candidates were on the ballot. Anderson received 8% of the white vote in 1980.
Actually Romney got a larger percent of the White vote than Reagna did in 1980.
Posted on 2/19/14 at 11:48 am to trackfan
quote:Yep
Actually Romney got a larger percent of the White vote than Reagna did in 1980.
Posted on 2/19/14 at 11:50 am to KCT
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The status quo has us on a path towards financial collapse. Personally, I'm more than willing to entertain some new ideas from the likes of Ted Cruz and Rand Paul.
Is the purpose of a US senator (or House member) to represent their constituency or their country? The interests of the US may be at odds with the interests of a constituency.
Any politician aspiring to larger things, this could be an issue.
This post was edited on 2/19/14 at 11:51 am
Posted on 2/19/14 at 11:59 am to RogerTheShrubber
Trackfan, you're the one who said that Ted Cruz was just trying stir people up. That's why it's relevant to examine what Cruz was actually trying to do. What Cruz was ACTUALLY DOING was trying to tap the brakes on Obamacare.
So, again, if Cruz was wrong to try and tap the brakes on Obamacare, then why is Obama doing the same exact thing?
Looks to me like Cruz's actions were justified, and Obama's reluctance to fully implement his own legislation bears that.
Geez, maybe Cruz "stirred up" Obama?
So, again, if Cruz was wrong to try and tap the brakes on Obamacare, then why is Obama doing the same exact thing?
Looks to me like Cruz's actions were justified, and Obama's reluctance to fully implement his own legislation bears that.
Geez, maybe Cruz "stirred up" Obama?
Posted on 2/19/14 at 12:17 pm to dante
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I think Sowell is only saying lets take the sure moderate Republican over the not so sure conservative. In the short term I agree we need to win the senate, when that happens the conservatives can hopefully gain some internal strength.
Can't he see the disaster that's gotten us? Yes, the GOP is winning some elections and has a majority in the House, but so what? The moderates winning those elections point to their wins and say, "See? We have to moderate to win."
They are in charge of the national GOP and would rather never win back the White House than to have a true conservative as President. That's how we end up with John Bonehead as Speaker, and NOT A SINGLE SPINE left to stand up to the current President.
Bottom line: libs/progressives get what they want, and only in some rare cases is it even watered down.
Posted on 2/19/14 at 12:24 pm to Politiceaux
God dammit, Sowell. I'm a huge fan of his, but this and his views on Snowden are extremely disappointing.
Posted on 2/19/14 at 12:54 pm to trackfan
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I thought the thread was about Cruz, not Obama. Sowell is accusing Cruz of serving his own interests more than his party.
Cruz wasn't elected to serve the interests of his party. He was elected to serve the interests of his constituents.
Now can we argue if he is serving himself over his constituency? Sure. But thus far his constituency (and a lot of people who aren't his constituents) seem pretty pleased with what he is doing.
The idea that you are elected to serve your party is a large part of what drives the high levels of partisanship in DC.
Posted on 2/19/14 at 12:57 pm to Politiceaux
quote:As usual, I agree with Thomas Sowell.
This should go over
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