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re: This "gun control" debate shows the authoritarian's frustration with the Constitution,
Posted on 2/19/18 at 5:40 pm to 14&Counting
Posted on 2/19/18 at 5:40 pm to 14&Counting
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I can tell you have put a lot of thought into this. Every cliche has been exquisitely used.
I give you 9.8/10
I can tell you put no thought into this
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Posted on 2/19/18 at 5:40 pm to SCLibertarian
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They sincerely believe they are doing this for your own good, and that's what makes it so frightening.
Posted on 2/19/18 at 5:43 pm to SlowFlowPro
There are two things in the Consitution that are our primary bulwarks against tyranny.
One is the 1st Amendment.
Although the tyranists have done well with the freedom of the press by taking over the MSM, that domination has been moderated by alternative sources of information via the Internet. Still, though, their dominance in the MSM and their collusion with them is a powerful tool as it allows them to dominate the narratives among the uninformed.
Another part of the tyranist plans to subvert the 1st Amendment that are proceeding well is currently cultural oppression of speech they don’t agree with soon to be followed by forays into labeling oppositional speech as criminal.
They have also gutted the protection of religious practices in the 1st Amendment.
The other Amendment they need is the 2nd. The tyranists want a disarmed populous.
At that point they win.
One is the 1st Amendment.
Although the tyranists have done well with the freedom of the press by taking over the MSM, that domination has been moderated by alternative sources of information via the Internet. Still, though, their dominance in the MSM and their collusion with them is a powerful tool as it allows them to dominate the narratives among the uninformed.
Another part of the tyranist plans to subvert the 1st Amendment that are proceeding well is currently cultural oppression of speech they don’t agree with soon to be followed by forays into labeling oppositional speech as criminal.
They have also gutted the protection of religious practices in the 1st Amendment.
The other Amendment they need is the 2nd. The tyranists want a disarmed populous.
At that point they win.
Posted on 2/19/18 at 5:45 pm to Scoop
if you want to see the utter lack of any coherent beliefs in gun control, just look at how the argument shifts by the attack (because there is never a real, universal, and coherent plan offered)
for example, who remembers using the "No Fly List" because it fit the Orlando shooting?
that died
for example, who remembers using the "No Fly List" because it fit the Orlando shooting?
that died
Posted on 2/19/18 at 5:47 pm to Scoop
First they hid opposing views by taking over news rooms and expelling opposing voices.
Then they convinced people that voicing opposing ideas is impolite and uncouth.
Then the threats started, and voicing alternative views went from impolite to dangerous to one’s career, reputation, relationships, and physical well-being.
Then they convinced people that voicing opposing ideas is impolite and uncouth.
Then the threats started, and voicing alternative views went from impolite to dangerous to one’s career, reputation, relationships, and physical well-being.
Posted on 2/19/18 at 5:51 pm to kingbob
What would have sounded like hyperbole regarding the lurching tentacles of the left even 5 years ago now would sound like an understatement.
That is how fast this is happening.
That is how fast this is happening.
Posted on 2/19/18 at 5:58 pm to Scoop
Soon dissent will be considered hate speech and prosecuted in courts of law. This is why Trump’s election was so important.
We’ve already heard this rationale used on university campuses to keep speakers from campus and crack down on the wrong kinds of protests.
We’ve already heard this rationale used on university campuses to keep speakers from campus and crack down on the wrong kinds of protests.
This post was edited on 2/19/18 at 6:00 pm
Posted on 2/19/18 at 6:00 pm to SlowFlowPro
The founders were self policing and JUST TO MAKE SURE that no idiots could misunderstand their reasoning they put it right there in the text: being necessary to the security of a free State.
To have freedom you must be able to protect yourself from the government. When the government can run roughshod over the populace there is no fear when a dictator comes to power.
I truly dont understand how anyone in their right mind would willingly relinquish their freedom in such a drastic manner, particularly when a group they despise is in power.
To have freedom you must be able to protect yourself from the government. When the government can run roughshod over the populace there is no fear when a dictator comes to power.
I truly dont understand how anyone in their right mind would willingly relinquish their freedom in such a drastic manner, particularly when a group they despise is in power.
Posted on 2/19/18 at 6:03 pm to Adam Banks
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I truly dont understand how anyone in their right mind would willingly relinquish their freedom in such a drastic manner, particularly when a group they despise is in power.
Because they want the stage set for when their group is in power again.
It is, in the end, about power. Period.
Posted on 2/19/18 at 6:05 pm to SlowFlowPro
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if you want to see the utter lack of any coherent beliefs in gun control, just look at how the argument shifts by the attack (because there is never a real, universal, and coherent plan offered)
"We're not after your guns, just common sense legislation"
5 years later
"Common sense legislation didn't work, time for a gun grab"
It's the same exact nefarious thinking behind Obamacare.
This post was edited on 2/19/18 at 6:05 pm
Posted on 2/19/18 at 6:15 pm to NIH
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"We're not after your guns, just common sense legislation"
5 years later
"Common sense legislation didn't work, time for a gun grab"
It's the same exact nefarious thinking behind Obamacare.
I was thinking more similar to Hitler's regime.
Posted on 2/19/18 at 6:28 pm to Adam Banks
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I truly dont understand how anyone in their right mind would willingly relinquish their freedom in such a drastic manner, particularly when a group they despise is in power.
that's why the "absolute" argument is silly with the 2A
you just play into their hands
a better argument is the "other rights" argument. since the 2A is already highly regulated, we need to look to any other right that may have an effect on shooting and start to regulate those. when we catch up, we can re-evaluate regulations on the 2A
when you start to talk about censorship and restricting the 1A, people look at you like you're crazy. it just shows that they don't value liberty, they value the convenient argument
Posted on 2/19/18 at 6:32 pm to Scoop
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The other Amendment they need is the 2nd. The tyranists want a disarmed populous.
First off, the 2nd Amendment has gun control written into it: a well regulated militia. Regulated means laws, restrictions, and controls.
Secondly, the government with the intent to fight its own citizens do not care if a bunch of rednecks are armed with rifles or if they are armed with butter knives. Attack helicopters, jet fighters, and tanks will take care of them either way. So why not
Let citizens have tanks amd bazookas, etc? When the 2nd Amendment was written, most guns were muskets and single shot.
Posted on 2/19/18 at 6:34 pm to will0637
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First off, the 2nd Amendment has gun control written into it: a well regulated militia.
No.
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Regulated means laws, restrictions, and controls.
Also no.
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Secondly, the government with the intent to fight its own citizens do not care if a bunch of rednecks are armed with rifles or if they are armed with butter knives.
Afghanistan, Iraq, and Vietnam say hello.
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When the 2nd Amendment was written, most guns were muskets and single shot.
And social media was the printing press.
Try being less stupid.
Posted on 2/19/18 at 6:43 pm to will0637
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a well regulated militia. Regulated means laws, restrictions, and controls.
we already have that. i'm not an absolutist
we need to regulate the 1st, 4th, and other Amendments to the level of the 2A before we add more regulations on the 2A. deal?
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When the 2nd Amendment was written, most guns were muskets and single shot.
when the 1st Amendment was written, the most effective means of mass communication was the printing press
Posted on 2/19/18 at 6:48 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:BINGO!
a better argument is the "other rights" argument. since the 2A is already highly regulated
Lets limit the 1stA and restrict any coverage of mass murder since we know such coverage is a huge contributor to such actions.
Posted on 2/19/18 at 6:50 pm to SlowFlowPro
I agree with 100% of what you said, but I believe its too late. The damage has already been done. I see no possible path for the US to return to a state more inline with the constitution. The trajectory we are headed, while thrown off course slightly from the last election, cannot be changed via the electoral processes.
The only way I see any change happening is from a cataclysmic event such as a great war.
The only way I see any change happening is from a cataclysmic event such as a great war.
This post was edited on 2/19/18 at 6:52 pm
Posted on 2/19/18 at 6:57 pm to NC_Tigah
or the 4th
imagine how many lives the state could save if we allowed the state more access into our homes and lives
if we could save one life, it's worth it
if you're not for dissolving most of our 4th Amendment protections, then you are responsible for all the deaths that come from this
imagine how many lives the state could save if we allowed the state more access into our homes and lives
if we could save one life, it's worth it
if you're not for dissolving most of our 4th Amendment protections, then you are responsible for all the deaths that come from this
Posted on 2/19/18 at 6:59 pm to will0637
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First off, the 2nd Amendment has gun control written into it: a well regulated militia. Regulated means laws, restrictions, and controls. Secondly, the government with the intent to fight its own citizens do not care if a bunch of rednecks are armed with rifles or if they are armed with butter knives. Attack helicopters, jet fighters, and tanks will take care of them either way. So why not Let citizens have tanks amd bazookas, etc? When the 2nd Amendment was written, most guns were muskets and single shot.
Hello. Nice to see another a-hole with less than 200 posts that has joined the lib offensive here today.
Now, to the business at hand.
Regulated means trained in the parlance of the day. They wanted the citizens to be effective with their arms.
Next, a populace with small arms and engaging in non-linear warfare can grind a conventional military force to a nub. I guess you have ignored the last 30 or 40 years.
The framers did not designate any arms for restriction in the 2nd Amendment. For instance, they did not restrict cannon.
You are a fricking idiot.
This post was edited on 2/19/18 at 7:01 pm
Posted on 2/19/18 at 7:28 pm to Scoop
i have prepared (and eaten) my feast for the night
i am here and ready to defend liberty
i am here and ready to defend liberty
This post was edited on 2/19/18 at 7:29 pm
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