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There is no such thing as "the Russians"
Posted on 7/11/17 at 7:56 pm
Posted on 7/11/17 at 7:56 pm
The entire concept is like McCarthyism and Red Scare all over again.
Even during the confirmation hearings people kept asking everyone "did you meet with the Russians"
They would say no, then it turns out they were at a party that some Russians were at, or a confrence, etc.
"They lied about talking to The Russians."
Then the left basically wanted Trump to fight Putin when they met at the G20. It seems absurd that people think it's bad for us to try and be friendly with a nuclear superpower.
Even during the confirmation hearings people kept asking everyone "did you meet with the Russians"
They would say no, then it turns out they were at a party that some Russians were at, or a confrence, etc.
"They lied about talking to The Russians."
Then the left basically wanted Trump to fight Putin when they met at the G20. It seems absurd that people think it's bad for us to try and be friendly with a nuclear superpower.
Posted on 7/11/17 at 7:59 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
So did putin lie to trump at G20 or not?
Posted on 7/11/17 at 8:00 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
The left has run out of boogeymen. They can only hope that their followers are ignorant enough to believe muh Russians as the vast majority of them know nothing about a country thousands of miles away. This is the result of the calculated dumbing-down of America.
Posted on 7/11/17 at 8:00 pm to olddawg26
He's former KGB. I would think most of what he says are strategic half-truths.
Posted on 7/11/17 at 8:01 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
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He's former KGB. I would think most of what he says are strategic half-truths.
Beats most progs. They just tell flat-out lies.
Posted on 7/11/17 at 8:01 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
So did putin know about his own sons involvement?
Posted on 7/11/17 at 8:04 pm to olddawg26
quote:
So did putin lie to trump at G20 or not?
Again, why do you care?...Troll
Posted on 7/11/17 at 8:06 pm to olddawg26
Russia is no threat to the United States and they haven't been since the 80's. The hysteria over them is comical and reeks of grasping at straws, those thinking otherwise are simply out of touch with reality
Posted on 7/11/17 at 8:10 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
The DeepState with the help of the DNC, GOP, FBI, CIA and NSA concocted the Russia Hacking conspiracy theory.
The reason for this is two-fold; 1) to demonize Russia & Trump; and 2) to force the new POTUS to maintain the sanctions against Russia.
The primary source of the reports regarding the Russian Hacking farce have come from the FBI (McCabe/Comey).
The primary report they have provided was called the Steppe Grizzly report. In this report we learn about the Podesta email hack and two separate hacks against the DNC and a hack against the NationBuilder voter registration database.
The Podesta “hack” was a garden variety email phishing scam that all of us deal with every day. Podesta was just dumb enough to surrender his password to the hacker.
The hack originated in the EU and the hackers sent out thousands of emails to see who would bite.
This phishing scam was not politically targeted. They just got lucky with Podesta.
There was no Russian involvement and no Russian “code segments” were involved.
Those reports are just MSM FakeNews with the NSA, CIA and FBI just playing dumb.
The DNC was actually hacked once, in the spring of 2015 by someone calling themselves Gufficer 2.0.
It appears to have been a targeted hack on the DNC for donor & financial information. Guccifer 2.0 released this information to the public.
There was really nothing you could not have gotten online from the FEC released from that hack. It was no big deal.
The NationBuilder hack was the one that used the Russian “code segments” everyone talks about on TV. It too happened in the spring of 2015.
The only problem is the code segments are Ukrainian, not Russian. They are also commonly available to hackers, so that does not mean much.
This NationBuilder hack actually originated in the United States. It was not Russian either. It too was no big deal.
The other “hack” covered in the report was not a hack at all, it was a leak. It was an inside job.
This is the one that everybody associates with Seth Rich and WikiLeaks. It was a very big deal for the DNC.
The leak proved that Bernie Sanders had ZERO chance of fairly winning the DNC nomination for President.
The leak showed how the DNC manipulated just about everything to make sure Hillary would win.
Whoever did the leak cherry-picked files to make sure this point came across. The files were copied in the early summer of 2016.
It took several weeks before they came out on WikiLeaks. I cannot prove or disprove who at the DNC copied the files.
The point is that it was not the Russians. The DNC knew they had a mole that did this and they told the FBI this
We know they told the FBI this because this information accidentally showed up in the now famous Russian “Dossier”.
The FBI wanted to examine the affected servers, but the DNC would not allow it. The FBI should have seized these devices if in fact it was a serious “national security” issue like everyone likes to bloviate about in the Congress, on CNN and MSNBC.
It was not a serious “national security” issue. That is why CrowdStrike was allowed to do the “investigation” instead of the FBI.
It was a HUGE embarrassment to the DNC and threatened to undermine the legitimacy of the DNC primaries.
CrowdStike is affiliated with anti-Russian Ukrainians that the DNC and the FBI/CIA knew would write the report the way they wanted.
The CrowdStrike report is technical mumbo-jumbo that everyone in the intel and IT fields knows is total malarkey.
So this is the extent of Russian hacking interference in our election. None, zero, nadda. It is all a lie.
So why did it all get blamed on Russia?
The Crimea, Syria and Trump.
Half the reason the US overthrew the democratically elected Government of the Ukraine was to run Russia out of the Black Sea. That’s right, we did it, you paid for it ($5B) and Soros helped us do it.
The CIA is still pissed about Russia winning that one.
The CIA was also pissed that Russia is helping Assad destroy the CIA/McCain al Qaeda fighters we imported to overthrow Syria. The FBI went along with this scam because it would fit nicely with the whole Trump campaign collusion with the Russians fake news story.
The reason for this is two-fold; 1) to demonize Russia & Trump; and 2) to force the new POTUS to maintain the sanctions against Russia.
The primary source of the reports regarding the Russian Hacking farce have come from the FBI (McCabe/Comey).
The primary report they have provided was called the Steppe Grizzly report. In this report we learn about the Podesta email hack and two separate hacks against the DNC and a hack against the NationBuilder voter registration database.
The Podesta “hack” was a garden variety email phishing scam that all of us deal with every day. Podesta was just dumb enough to surrender his password to the hacker.
The hack originated in the EU and the hackers sent out thousands of emails to see who would bite.
This phishing scam was not politically targeted. They just got lucky with Podesta.
There was no Russian involvement and no Russian “code segments” were involved.
Those reports are just MSM FakeNews with the NSA, CIA and FBI just playing dumb.
The DNC was actually hacked once, in the spring of 2015 by someone calling themselves Gufficer 2.0.
It appears to have been a targeted hack on the DNC for donor & financial information. Guccifer 2.0 released this information to the public.
There was really nothing you could not have gotten online from the FEC released from that hack. It was no big deal.
The NationBuilder hack was the one that used the Russian “code segments” everyone talks about on TV. It too happened in the spring of 2015.
The only problem is the code segments are Ukrainian, not Russian. They are also commonly available to hackers, so that does not mean much.
This NationBuilder hack actually originated in the United States. It was not Russian either. It too was no big deal.
The other “hack” covered in the report was not a hack at all, it was a leak. It was an inside job.
This is the one that everybody associates with Seth Rich and WikiLeaks. It was a very big deal for the DNC.
The leak proved that Bernie Sanders had ZERO chance of fairly winning the DNC nomination for President.
The leak showed how the DNC manipulated just about everything to make sure Hillary would win.
Whoever did the leak cherry-picked files to make sure this point came across. The files were copied in the early summer of 2016.
It took several weeks before they came out on WikiLeaks. I cannot prove or disprove who at the DNC copied the files.
The point is that it was not the Russians. The DNC knew they had a mole that did this and they told the FBI this
We know they told the FBI this because this information accidentally showed up in the now famous Russian “Dossier”.
The FBI wanted to examine the affected servers, but the DNC would not allow it. The FBI should have seized these devices if in fact it was a serious “national security” issue like everyone likes to bloviate about in the Congress, on CNN and MSNBC.
It was not a serious “national security” issue. That is why CrowdStrike was allowed to do the “investigation” instead of the FBI.
It was a HUGE embarrassment to the DNC and threatened to undermine the legitimacy of the DNC primaries.
CrowdStike is affiliated with anti-Russian Ukrainians that the DNC and the FBI/CIA knew would write the report the way they wanted.
The CrowdStrike report is technical mumbo-jumbo that everyone in the intel and IT fields knows is total malarkey.
So this is the extent of Russian hacking interference in our election. None, zero, nadda. It is all a lie.
So why did it all get blamed on Russia?
The Crimea, Syria and Trump.
Half the reason the US overthrew the democratically elected Government of the Ukraine was to run Russia out of the Black Sea. That’s right, we did it, you paid for it ($5B) and Soros helped us do it.
The CIA is still pissed about Russia winning that one.
The CIA was also pissed that Russia is helping Assad destroy the CIA/McCain al Qaeda fighters we imported to overthrow Syria. The FBI went along with this scam because it would fit nicely with the whole Trump campaign collusion with the Russians fake news story.
Posted on 7/11/17 at 8:12 pm to olddawg26
quote:Yeah. Sure. Why not?
So did putin lie to trump at G20 or not?
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