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The Trouble with Civil War Hypotheticals
Posted on 8/17/17 at 12:28 pm
Posted on 8/17/17 at 12:28 pm
Excellent meditation on the odd fact that the losing side in the Civil War has effectively enjoyed the spoils of victory lo these many years:
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With the exception of the brief interval of Reconstruction, the states of the former Confederacy have been able to exert as much influence on national affairs and on matters of race as they had before the Civil War, and possibly more. Having lost the quest to maintain slavery, they put in place sharecropping—a system of agricultural serfdom—which was dominant for the next eight decades. Prior to the Civil War, slaveholding states held a disproportionate influence in Congress, because the census counted sixty per cent of the enslaved population—people who could not vote—in apportioning representation. After the Fourteenth Amendment was adopted, the census counted the entire black population, but the regime of white terrorism that followed Reconstruction insured that these African-Americans could not vote, either. Thus, Southern white political power was amplified after the war by the mere existence of disfranchised African-Americans living in Southern states.
Posted on 8/17/17 at 12:30 pm to Big Scrub TX
We should have sent them back to Africa so they could avoid all that terrible stuff whites did to them.
Posted on 8/17/17 at 12:31 pm to Big Scrub TX
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the losing side in the Civil War has effectively enjoyed the spoils of victory lo these many years
Yeah, history is complex. Nobody wants to hear that or discuss the how, when or why.
Just tear the statues down. You're brainy talk is going to fall on deaf ears (of both sides, frankly).
Posted on 8/17/17 at 12:31 pm to Big Scrub TX
Why didn't the north build them public mixed income housing?
Racists.
Racists.
Posted on 8/17/17 at 12:32 pm to Big Scrub TX
That's because the north was ultimately still OK with black discrimination, the south had valuable resources, and you know, they were forced back into the union, so uh, yea, they got representation. They were still somewhat fresh off fighting that kind of thing.
Posted on 8/17/17 at 12:32 pm to Ace Midnight
quote:Do you think a lot of debate went into the statue erection in the mid-century?
Just tear the statues down.
Posted on 8/17/17 at 12:35 pm to uway
quote:Well how do you send people back to a place they were never at in the first place, unless they were elderly and arrived before importation was banned decades before or illegally smuggled here?
We should have sent them back to Africa so they could avoid all that terrible stuff whites did to them.
Posted on 8/17/17 at 12:36 pm to buckeye_vol
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Well how do you send people back to a place they were never at in the first place, unless they were elderly and arrived before importation was banned decades before or illegally smuggled here
Man you really got me there. I never thought of that.
Posted on 8/17/17 at 12:37 pm to Big Scrub TX
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Excellent meditation on the odd fact that the losing side in the Civil War has effectively enjoyed the spoils of victory lo these many years:
good fricking god.
Did you want to enslave southerners? You know the racially integrated society?
fricking imbecile.
Posted on 8/17/17 at 12:38 pm to Big Scrub TX
So we should take 10 percent of California's evs away?
Support.
Support.
Posted on 8/17/17 at 12:39 pm to Big Scrub TX
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Do you think a lot of debate went into the statue erection in the mid-century?
Meh. Lee Circle is the gold standard here - erected in 1884. Your argument is largely invalid.
When did they build the Korean War Memorial? Or the National WWII Memorial (not the USMC)?
Things take time, but the coincidence of the 1960s Civil Rights movement and the centennial (and understandable nostalgia) of the Civil War is too convenient to just gloss over with "racism" - at least IMHO.
Posted on 8/17/17 at 12:40 pm to buckeye_vol
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Well how do you send people back to a place they were never at in the first place, unless they were elderly and arrived before importation was banned decades before or illegally smuggled here?
Look up the history of Liberia. Really interesting what happened there.
Posted on 8/17/17 at 12:45 pm to buckeye_vol
quote:No doubt he holds the un-self-aware ironic position of people shouldn't have to pay reparations since they weren't the ones who did it!
Well how do you send people back to a place they were never at in the first place, unless they were elderly and arrived before importation was banned decades before or illegally smuggled here?
Posted on 8/17/17 at 12:50 pm to uway
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We should have sent them back to Africa so they could avoid all that terrible stuff whites did to them.
Racist
Posted on 8/17/17 at 12:51 pm to Big Scrub TX
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the losing side in the Civil War has effectively enjoyed the spoils of victory lo these many years
If you believe the south has been enjoying the spoils of victory you've never been to the south
Posted on 8/17/17 at 12:52 pm to Big Scrub TX
Lincoln won the war and wanted to send blacks back to Africa before he was killed by a white supremacist..
Posted on 8/17/17 at 12:53 pm to Big Scrub TX
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erection
*giggles* you said erection
Posted on 8/17/17 at 12:53 pm to buckeye_vol
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Well how do you send people back to a place they were never at in the first place, unless they were elderly and arrived before importation was banned decades before or illegally smuggled here?
Your audience isnt very bright and also believes white people had the authority to ship people to another continent. Dumb arse people say dumb arse things
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