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re: The Senate worked late tonight to get in a vote that will repeal the ACA.
Posted on 1/12/17 at 10:45 am to BamaAtl
Posted on 1/12/17 at 10:45 am to BamaAtl
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ripping health insurance from >20M people?
Uh.. how many people had their insurance negatively impacted because of Obamacare? You know... if you like your plan you can keep it. If you like your doctor, you can keep him/her. That sort of thing. Just curious. I'll await your response.
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Posted on 1/12/17 at 11:35 am to SSpaniel
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Uh.. how many people had their insurance negatively impacted because of Obamacare?
Fewer than had their insurance positively impacted because of the ACA.
Posted on 1/12/17 at 11:38 am to BamaAtl
Too expensive. It's gone. Kiss your insurance goodby. I can't wait to go back to the doctor I wasn't allowed to keep!!
Posted on 1/12/17 at 11:44 am to DisplacedBuckeye
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Obama certainly did a bang up job there.
And if we'd stayed, you would be whining about the SOFA that allowed US troops to be charged under Iraqi laws. If you look long enough for something to whine about, you'll inevitably find it.
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They all share a portion of the blame for this mess.
Yes and no. Obama made the best of many bad decisions, and those decisions were forced upon him by Bush's unforced mistakes.
Same could be said of the recession. It's almost as if removing regulations on the banking industry can make them more reckless, which can lead to disaster. Let's see how that turns out when Republicans try it this time!
Posted on 1/12/17 at 11:47 am to BamaAtl
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Same could be said of the recession. It's almost as if removing regulations on the banking industry can make them more reckless
you do realize that if Wall Street wasn't so highly regulated, these investment ideas/vehicles would have likely never been created?
these advanced securities were created to get around the complex regulations, which made their danger increase. without the regs, they wouldn't have been created b/c there wouldn't have been a demand for these
more regs = more complex and unstable securities
Posted on 1/12/17 at 12:04 pm to BamaAtl
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And if we'd stayed, you would be whining about the SOFA that allowed US troops to be charged under Iraqi laws.
That has nothing to do with the complete clusterfrick Obama made of the entire region.
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If you look long enough for something to whine about, you'll inevitably find it.
Like repeal of the ACA, illegal gun control, or voter identification requirements...
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Obama made the best of many bad decisions, and those decisions were forced upon him by Bush's unforced mistakes.
Interesting. Let me try...
Bush made the best of many bad decisions, and those decisions were forced upon him by Clinton's unforced mistakes.
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Same could be said of the recession. It's almost as if removing regulations on the banking industry can make them more reckless, which can lead to disaster. Let's see how that turns out when Republicans try it this time!
It's almost like Bill Clinton signed more financial deregulation legislation that any other president in history. It's almost like Bill Clinton destroyed American manufacturing with bogus trade agreements. It's almost like Bill Clinton expanded an already ineffective and wasteful war on drugs, domestically and internationally.
If you want to have an accountability, here I am. The difference is that I can admit where my "side" fricked up. I'd just ask that you do the same.
Posted on 1/12/17 at 1:12 pm to BBONDS25
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Too expensive. It's gone.
Cheaper than projected, slowing costs across the health sector.
That you think repealing it is cheaper merely means you don't understand the issue and haven't thought much about it.
Posted on 1/12/17 at 1:13 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
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Like repeal of the ACA, illegal gun control, or voter identification requirements...
Yeah, there are no problems with 20M people being kicked off of their insurance, the highest rate of gun violence in the developed world, or disenfranchising citizens because they're brown/black.
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Bush made the best of many bad decisions, and those decisions were forced upon him by Clinton's unforced mistakes.
Which of Clinton's 'mistakes', in your eyes, led us into a war of choice in Iraq?
Posted on 1/12/17 at 1:14 pm to BamaAtl
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Cheaper than projected
This is still meaningless, no matter how many times you try to inject it into the discussion.
Posted on 1/12/17 at 1:14 pm to BamaAtl
Repeal is cause for celebration. 
Posted on 1/12/17 at 1:17 pm to BamaAtl
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Yeah, there are no problems with 20M people being kicked off of their insurance, the highest rate of gun violence in the developed world, or disenfranchising citizens because they're brown/black.
Every one of those is a misrepresentation of the facts. Every single one.
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Which of Clinton's 'mistakes', in your eyes, led us into a war of choice in Iraq?
It was collective stupidity. We can certainly discuss how terrible Clinton's foreign policy was if you like.
Posted on 1/12/17 at 1:21 pm to BamaAtl
I must also say that I enjoy how you ignored a significant portion of my post.
Well done.
Well done.
Posted on 1/12/17 at 1:23 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
we love our repeals, don't we folks?
Posted on 1/12/17 at 1:28 pm to ds4ua1020
Rand probably knows what's going to happen. People like the fact that under Obamacare, insurance companies have to cover preexiating conditions. If you're not going to mandate young people purchase insurance policies, the answer is a government plan like Citizens or an expansion of Medicare if you want preexisting condition coverage. That will blow up the deficit and make Rand unhappy. The republicans choices are not very appealing and that's why repeal and wait 3 years seems the choice for the moment.
This post was edited on 1/12/17 at 1:31 pm
Posted on 1/12/17 at 1:29 pm to teampick
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If your not going
you're
Posted on 1/12/17 at 1:29 pm to BamaAtl
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Fewer than had their insurance positively impacted because of the ACA.
False
Posted on 1/12/17 at 1:32 pm to roadGator
Anything else or just nitpicking today?
Posted on 1/12/17 at 1:33 pm to teampick
I'm just here to help. I do like the repeal action.
I hope there are consequences for the hidden taxes that were collected and the 100s of times the law was changed without a vote.
I hope there are consequences for the hidden taxes that were collected and the 100s of times the law was changed without a vote.
Posted on 1/12/17 at 1:39 pm to roadGator
Without a replacement, it's a repeal in name only. The preexisting condition coverage is a sticky problem - particularly for defecit hawks like Paul.
Posted on 1/12/17 at 1:47 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
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Every one of those is a misrepresentation of the facts. Every single one.
Repeal without replace (there is no replacement yet) = >20M people losing access to health insurance.
We have the highest rates of gun violence among OECD countries.
Voter ID laws disproportionately affect minorities - sometimes so nakedly that the legislators are on the record wanting just that (hi, North Carolina).
Your inability to acknowledge objective fact used to be amusing. Now it's boring.
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We can certainly discuss how terrible Clinton's foreign policy was if you like.
Which part, specifically, in your mind led us into a war of choice in Iraq?
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