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The RICO act. What it says

Posted on 8/16/23 at 6:57 am
Posted by Revelator
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Posted on 8/16/23 at 6:57 am





How in the world could anyone indict Trump and his associates under this?!

Posted by mark65mc
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Posted on 8/16/23 at 7:02 am to
Sounds like Joe and Hunter.
Posted by TrueTiger
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Posted on 8/16/23 at 7:06 am to

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affecting interstate or foreign commerce


Elections are politics not commerce.

Dismiss the case.
Posted by Chazreinhold
Utah
Member since Oct 2020
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Posted on 8/16/23 at 7:06 am to
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Sounds like Joe and Hunter.


beat me to it.

Why would Stink Finger Joe and the Crackhead need Shell Companies?
What sort of product and goods were they selling to receive Millions of Dollars from people in foreign Countries governments?
Posted by Auburn80
Backwater, TN
Member since Nov 2017
7514 posts
Posted on 8/16/23 at 7:07 am to
RICO is supposed to be used against the mafia. Prosecutors have abused their power and used it against others.
Posted by Nosevens
Member since Apr 2019
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Posted on 8/16/23 at 7:09 am to
Because a hotel room was rented to hold a meeting and people were asked to watch a tv channel viewing of interest. Furthermore someone wants to be president that they are scared of
Posted by jp4lsu
Member since Sep 2016
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Posted on 8/16/23 at 7:11 am to
Wow, they went after Operation Rescue with RICO charges. I'd love to know the details of that. Geez.

Seems like you could go after BLM real easy with RICO charges, right?
This post was edited on 8/16/23 at 7:12 am
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 8/16/23 at 7:17 am to
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Elections are politics not commerce

Well he's citing the federal law and Georgia is relying on its state version which I'm sure does not have that requirement

Even federally interstate commerce is almost everything though
Posted by TrueTiger
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Posted on 8/16/23 at 7:21 am to
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Even federally interstate commerce is almost everything though


If politics is commerce then RICO should at some point violate the first Amendment.
Posted by Godfather1
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Posted on 8/16/23 at 7:24 am to
inb4 Hank/SFP shows up to tell you how wrong you are and that THIS is how it is.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 8/16/23 at 7:25 am to
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If politics is commerce then RICO should at some point violate the first Amendment.

RICO statutes should be unconstitutional regardless.

But what Trump and his co-Defendants are accused of doing isn't just "politics". There are specific allegations of fraudulent behaviors, which provide the predicate felonies for RICO.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 8/16/23 at 7:25 am to
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inb4 Hank/SFP shows up to tell you how wrong you are and that THIS is how it is

He could start by posting the GA statute on RICO and not the inapplicable federal version
Posted by Revelator
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Posted on 8/16/23 at 7:27 am to
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There are specific allegations of fraudulent behaviors, which provide the predicate felonies for RICO.



Such as?
Posted by Godfather1
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Posted on 8/16/23 at 7:27 am to
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He could start by posting the GA statute on RICO and not the inapplicable federal version


And there it is.

Like the sun coming up in the morning/going down at night.
This post was edited on 8/16/23 at 7:28 am
Posted by TrueTiger
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Posted on 8/16/23 at 7:28 am to
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There are specific allegations of fraudulent behaviors




specific fraud = bad

general fraud (like politicians use) = OK
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 8/16/23 at 7:31 am to
Here is the applicable GA stautte:

quote:

Universal Citation: GA Code § 16-14-4 (2021)
It shall be unlawful for any person, through a pattern of racketeering activity or proceeds derived therefrom, to acquire or maintain, directly or indirectly, any interest in or control of any enterprise, real property, or personal property of any nature, including money.
It shall be unlawful for any person employed by or associated with any enterprise to conduct or participate in, directly or indirectly, such enterprise through a pattern of racketeering activity.
It shall be unlawful for any person to conspire or endeavor to violate any of the provisions of subsection (a) or (b) of this Code section. A person violates this subsection when:
He or she together with one or more persons conspires to violate any of the provisions of subsection (a) or (b) of this Code section and any one or more of such persons commits any overt act to effect the object of the conspiracy; or
He or she endeavors to violate any of the provisions of subsection (a) or (b) of this Code section and commits any overt act to effect the object of the endeavor.


The entire RICO statutes are here
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 8/16/23 at 7:32 am to
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specific fraud = bad

general fraud (like politicians use) = OK

No no. Specific fraud = required for the statute.

I have no idea what "general fraud" even is.
Posted by Godfather1
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Posted on 8/16/23 at 7:32 am to


You just can’t help yourself.
Posted by thebigmuffaletta
Member since Aug 2017
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Posted on 8/16/23 at 7:34 am to
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Here is the applicable GA stautte:


So just like the federal RICO statutes, it sounds like this one was designed to go after organized crime, not people who challenge elections.
Posted by Revelator
Member since Nov 2008
58040 posts
Posted on 8/16/23 at 7:35 am to
This is what lots of people hate about the law. It’s written by lawyers, so only lawyers can understand it, and so that lawyers can use the same law and say it means two diametrically opposed things.
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