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davesdawgs
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Georgia - Class of '75
Member since Oct 2008
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re: The Red State Path to Prosperity

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If I need to explain why a graph containing years 1990 - 2007, arguably the most profitable years in recent American history, is not applicable to what's happening today then there's no hope for you.

Your graph, combined with the article above, is depicting what politicians do best. Kicking the can down the road until it can't be kicked any longer and the bottom falls out.

But hey whatever helps you sleep at night.


That and frankly I don't see how the graph/data he presented has any bearing on the OP.


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crawdaddy52
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Member since Dec 2010
898 posts

re: The Red State Path to Prosperity
These clowns make the same argument every time you point out the lack of wealth creation in red states - it's the takers - translation isn't necessary as to what hue the alleged takers are. I think you would be surprised by how many trailer park denizens migrated. All things being equal, why the decades of poor economic performance when the red states are incubaters for the economic policies you advocate. After decades, despite the taker burden, you'd think you'd at least get to break even. I mean where the hell is the miracle of the less regulated and taxed free market. I've never understood how if you're right why isn't Al, MS and LA just booming.


cahoots
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Red Stick
Member since Jan 2009
2184 posts

re: The Red State Path to Prosperity
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I mean where the hell is the miracle of the less regulated and taxed free market. I've never understood how if you're right why isn't Al, MS and LA just booming.


Low cost of business is only one piece of the puzzle. Painting with a broad brush, the coasts still lead the south in education, infrastructure, healthcare, among other things (yes, I know exceptions exist). Silicon Valley and Wall Street aren't going anywhere for the foreseeable future because those types of industries can bear the additional costs of doing business in exchange for other benefits.



crawdaddy52
Vanderbilt Fan
Member since Dec 2010
898 posts

re: The Red State Path to Prosperity
you've/we've had decades to catch up - education, infrastructure -but for some crazy arse reason we believe that the key to wealth creation is wealth protection. I mean you could reasonably argue the sole purpose of the Alabama constitution is to protect the wealth of people who own pine trees. And the Alabama middle class who will only own the 2or 3 pine trees in their back yard vehemently and passionately back absurdly low property tax and equally absurd high sales tax. I guess they think some how some way they are gonna end up with a couple 100 thousand acres of pine trees.


Scoop
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Ecuador
Member since Sep 2005
30840 posts

re: The Red State Path to Prosperity
I didn't read the entire thread so this might have come up, but the problem is that when these idiots move from Blue states to Red states because Democrat policies are suffocating them, they set up shop down south and then do what?..............









Start voting for Democrats.


WildTchoupitoulas
RA:18h 49m 59.0s, dec:-8° 33' 55.3"
Member since Jan 2010
19330 posts

re: The Red State Path to Prosperity
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I guess they think some how some way they are gonna end up with a couple 100 thousand acres of pine trees.


Well, they do buy their lottery tickets every week. You know, "Pining for Millions!" There's a winner every week - guaranteed.


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RogerTheShrubber
LSU Fan
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
101328 posts

re: The Red State Path to Prosperity
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It's not like something has been achieved like great strides in education or superior infrastructure. We're just willing to do it on the cheap.


Maybe cheap is the way to go. We are pricing people out of many blue states. Probably costs almost twice to live in SF than it does in Monroe, La.

Education isn't going to improve in some of those areas no matter how much you throw at the problem, unless you do some major population swaps.


crawdaddy52
Vanderbilt Fan
Member since Dec 2010
898 posts

re: The Red State Path to Prosperity
Texas is expected to go blue as early as 2020 but it has nothing to do with migration - it is hispanic birth rates. Al, MS and La will be red forever.


cahoots
LSU Fan
Red Stick
Member since Jan 2009
2184 posts

re: The Red State Path to Prosperity
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Maybe cheap is the way to go. We are pricing people out of many blue states. Probably costs almost twice to live in SF than it does in Monroe, La.


You have to look at the whole picture, though. There's a lot more wealth in Cali and NY than anywhere else. Those guys are basically subsiziding the southern parts of the country because total tax collected < total tax spent in most southern states.
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crawdaddy52
Vanderbilt Fan
Member since Dec 2010
898 posts

re: The Red State Path to Prosperity
Pretty funny Wild. It's funny my whole life whenever someone says "they've got family money" , at least the original stash was from pine trees. Alabama - "we wipe the butts of the world".


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RogerTheShrubber
LSU Fan
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
101328 posts

re: The Red State Path to Prosperity

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You have to look at the whole picture, though. There's a lot more wealth in Cali and NY than anywhere else. Those guys are basically subsiziding the southern parts of the country because total tax collected < total tax spent in most southern states.


Mainly because the southern states have a lot of non producers. It will catch up to Cali and NY before long. I imagine states like NC and Texas will pick up folks bailing on NY and California before long.



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Scoop
LSU Fan
Ecuador
Member since Sep 2005
30840 posts

re: The Red State Path to Prosperity
Union heavy Blue states are burdened by the financial stressors of unions, Red states, mostly those along the Mississippi River, are burdened by a large dependent class.

Both unions and a large dependant class are basically the root of most of our financial problems.

The Red states are instituting policies that allow for growth under the weight of their burden, while Blue states are too rigidly committed to Liberal policies to do the same.

That's the takeaway point.


biscuitsngravy
LSU Fan
Member since Jan 2011
766 posts

re: The Red State Path to Prosperity
So much talk of a tax reduction here...... Don't kid yourselves. It's a tax shift. Jindal said as much when he said it should be "revenue neutral". It's just a regressive shift. Corporations should not be allowed to operate tax free while enjoying the benefits provided by u.s. protection. For the record I'm a libertarian but this makes zero sense. Why won't jindal take interviews to explain why you need to pay 3% more at the register to offset zero corporate tax?


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WeeWee
USA Fan
wishing I was in death valley
Member since Aug 2012
14966 posts

re: The Red State Path to Prosperity
Wild T, do you really believe a map from 1990-2009 is relevant in 2013. Especially with the republican surge in 2010?


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Taxing Authority
LSU Fan
Houston
Member since Feb 2010
25156 posts

re: The Red State Path to Prosperity
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- translation isn't necessary as to what hue the alleged takers are
Huh? Why would YOU assume what color the takers are?


LSUgusto
Member since May 2005
16760 posts

re: The Red State Path to Prosperity
NYT: California Beaming

The rest of you are haters.

The root of this optimism? Tax increases and high-speed rail. Read it yourself.



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EZE Tiger Fan
Member since Jul 2004
24982 posts

re: The Red State Path to Prosperity
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Union heavy Blue states are burdened by the financial stressors of unions, Red states, mostly those along the Mississippi River, are burdened by a large dependent class. Both unions and a large dependant class are basically the root of most of our financial problems. The Red states are instituting policies that allow for growth under the weight of their burden, while Blue states are too rigidly committed to Liberal policies to do the same. That's the takeaway point.


Bingo.

Working and Non-Working Parasites that ALL vote for Democrats.



crawdaddy52
Vanderbilt Fan
Member since Dec 2010
898 posts

re: The Red State Path to Prosperity
Union membership is the lowest it has been since the 50's . If they are the problem every thing should be hunky dory. The blue states are generally more productive/wealthy. New York does not need TX to cover for them - they are doing fine carrying our ass. I'm baffled that everyone seems baffled by this fact - they pay our way. There will be endless arguments that add up to "they make us pay for the takers" and "we've got a larger percentage of the takers"etc, etc. They've got "takers", they make more money - blue states make more money. Why is that?


NC_Tigah
LSU Fan
Carolinas
Member since Sep 2003
59092 posts

re: The Red State Path to Prosperity
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The blue states are generally more productive/wealthy. New York does not need TX to cover for them - they are doing fine carrying our ass. I'm baffled that everyone seems baffled by this fact - they pay our way.
and everyone is baffled that you are baffled by facts that really are not that baffling . . .

Image: http://www.theblaze.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/States-Funding.png



GREENHEAD22
LSU Fan
LafayettebywayofBush
Member since Nov 2009
9365 posts

re: The Red State Path to Prosperity
The only was to Prosperity is to break away from this dying monstrosity known as the US.


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