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re: The REAL torture of US Servicemen in Vietnam, began when the Cubans showed up.
Posted on 12/20/14 at 11:16 am to Blue Velvet
Posted on 12/20/14 at 11:16 am to Blue Velvet
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Blue Velvet
You should go over there and help those poor people in Syria, Iraq or Afghanistan. You'd fit right in.
I'd grow a beard and have more than a passing familiarity with the Koran, though, brother.
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Posted on 12/20/14 at 11:20 am to Ace Midnight
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Blue Velvet
He really seems to hate the country that he lives in.
Posted on 12/20/14 at 11:22 am to Ace Midnight
How sad it must be to base someone's innocence on their zip code. How sad it must be to lump the beliefs of 100 million people into the same group as their governments. I know how you're responsible for all those murders in central Louisiana too and how much you support the IRS's targeting of political opponents.
Posted on 12/20/14 at 11:23 am to Revelator
I had a friend (Fidel) when I was a teenager that was a bit older than me. His Dad had been a "hero of The Revolution" and fought alongside Castro. His Father named him Fidel in honor of Castro. When Fidel went "Full Soviet" and betrayed the Cuban People and doubled down on Batista's terror, his Father (and other family members) were thrown in prison and tortured. The Father was eventually executed.
I want the Cuban people's 50 year (or more) nightmare to be over. Let's hope this is somehow a step in that direction.
I want the Cuban people's 50 year (or more) nightmare to be over. Let's hope this is somehow a step in that direction.
Posted on 12/20/14 at 11:24 am to Lsupimp
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I think we should normalize, but only AFTER they make specific PUBLIC concessions.
Posted on 12/20/14 at 11:24 am to AU86
quote:Anyone that doesn't approve of torture, economic sanctions, and hundreds of dead women and children hates America. Afterall, it's been our pastime for the last decade.
He really seems to hate the country that he lives in.
This post was edited on 12/20/14 at 11:29 am
Posted on 12/20/14 at 11:31 am to Blue Velvet
I'd argue with you on the many ( way too many to count) areas where you show alarming historical ignorance, engage in a veritable cornucopia of worn-out and discredited clichés, and the most simplistic brand of knee-jerk Anti-American dipshittery, but that might mar our new "besties" status and screw up our hiking trip. And I have already bought my tent.
So let me just say...keep being YOU, BV.
So let me just say...keep being YOU, BV.
Posted on 12/20/14 at 11:34 am to son of arlo
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I just wonder if Obama's gonna do a deep bow before he lets Castro address The House.
He'll be blowing Fidel behind the podium.
Posted on 12/20/14 at 11:36 am to Lsupimp
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I'd argue
quote:If you could, you would. We all know how much you love to hear yourself talk. But until then, the head-in-sand-emoticon-posting will do.
alarming historical ignorance
quote:You know the terrorists have won when any person who is for open trade and against torture is considered Anti-American. Oh how far this country has sank.
most simplistic brand of knee-jerk Anti-American dipshittery
quote:I'm pitching one right now just thinking about it.
And I have already bought my tent
Posted on 12/20/14 at 11:45 am to Blue Velvet
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I know how you're responsible for all those murders in central Louisiana too and how much you support the IRS's targeting of political opponents.
The difference between us and them - we view harsh interrogation as a necessary evil and agonize over collateral damage and other anomolies such as Dilawar (My Lai, etc.) terrible things and strive to prevent future recurrences.
Our enemies, on the other hand, celebrate torture, death of innocents and raise them to high art.
So, there's that...
This post was edited on 12/20/14 at 11:46 am
Posted on 12/20/14 at 11:47 am to Lsupimp
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I want the Cuban people's 50 year (or more) nightmare to be over.
I do, too.
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Let's hope this is somehow a step in that direction.
By enabling, enriching and legitimizing the Castros?
Unlikely. This will just make the next Junta stronger.
Posted on 12/20/14 at 11:49 am to Ace Midnight
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The difference between us and them
The real difference is we have a bi-polar govt. One pole is heartless, and the other pole is disconnected from human reality. In Cuber, there's only one pole which is very attractive to those disconnected from human reality.
Posted on 12/20/14 at 11:50 am to Pettifogger
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Do people really think the regime in Cuba is akin to that we saw during the height of the cold war? Really?
Can you outline the things that have substantially changed re: "the regime in Cuba" since the end of the Cold War?
Posted on 12/20/14 at 11:54 am to Ace Midnight
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The difference between us and them
Thank you for proving my point in your first 6 words. Beautiful. quote:
we
quote:Agreed.
evil
quote:Have you ever read the Poliboard?
celebrate torture
quote:Apparently isn't small terrorists groups, religious fanatics, and failing governments. It's anyone who lives here:
Our enemies
I'm sure the naïve ignorance is blissful to think so many think the exact same way and are all worthy of our "necessary evil."
Oh and just for a touch of irony, how many of those terrorists groups have been funded by the government you worship and work for? Every time you get a check you're funding the group of people you hate.
Delicious. Posted on 12/20/14 at 11:59 am to Blue Velvet
The real problem is Cuba doesnt have trillions of dollars to buy our debt and cant mass produce things on the cheap like the Communist in China who made Cubans look like saints during the revolution and still treat many in their country like crap.
This post was edited on 12/20/14 at 12:00 pm
Posted on 12/20/14 at 12:01 pm to Ace Midnight
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By enabling, enriching and legitimizing the Castros?
I said "hope".
That's all we have here since we've folded our flush upon learning they have a pair, deuce high.
Posted on 12/20/14 at 12:07 pm to Blue Velvet
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Anyone that doesn't approve of torture, economic sanctions, and hundreds of dead women and children hates America. Afterall, it's been our pastime for the last decade.
And even longer than that. I had a close friend who was an army interpreter in Vietnam and his description of our interrogation techniques was more than chilling. He never got rid of those demons and committed suicide about ten years after he came back.
Posted on 12/20/14 at 12:20 pm to Layabout
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I had a close friend who was an army interpreter in Vietnam and his description of our interrogation techniques was more than chilling.
shite that never happened. Same with POWs trying to sneak messages to Hanoi Jane and then she turned them over to the NVA. Never happened.
That's assuming we didn't put NVA POWs into small rooms with stinging insects. In that case, maybe you're right.
Posted on 12/20/14 at 12:39 pm to Blue Velvet
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Every time you get a check you're funding the group of people you hate.
You have that backwards - the taxpayers are funding our enemies under your scenario.
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Apparently isn't small terrorists groups, religious fanatics, and failing governments. It's anyone who lives here:
I never said Dilawar was our enemy - that was just very, very unfortunate. It happens in war and we try to do everything we can to prevent it.
Same thing with My Lai - Calley and his guys are used to skewer every man and woman in a U.S. uniform, but people forget Hugh Thompson for 30 years.
But our soldiers who end up at the tender mercy of our enemies would GLADLY trade places with the worst of our prisoners - that's just a fact.
But, I guess the difference between you and I is - I've been there, done that and can speak with some experience on these issues.
I'm not sure why I even continue to debate these things with you - aren't you a 9/11 truther and therefore, cognitively living in another dimension for purposes of this particular discussion?
Posted on 12/20/14 at 12:50 pm to Ace Midnight
quote:You don't pay taxes?
You have that backwards - the taxpayers are funding our enemies under your scenario
quote:The torture cheerleaders on here would be furious if we did.
It happens in war and we try to do everything we can to prevent it.
Also, I wasn't commenting on Dilawar, I was commenting on this:
quote:As if the beliefs of these people are homogeneous. Breitbart should be right up your alley, maybe we should kill this guy and his family too. You know, "necessary evil" and all.
You should go over there and help those poor people in Syria, Iraq or Afghanistan
quote:Exactly, you've proven you will follow the erroneous leadership of the federal government for a cut of the payoff.
I guess the difference between you and I is - I've been there
quote:Absolutely not, but that would certainly be a good diversion right now and it wouldn't be surprising because if history has shown us anything, it is that people who support free trade and don't support unnecessary war are conspiracy-theorist-loons; just look at Jefferson.
aren't you a 9/11 truther and therefore
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