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The Nuremberg Principles And Trump
Posted on 4/8/17 at 6:30 am
Posted on 4/8/17 at 6:30 am
The Nuremberg principles were a set of guidelines for determining what constitutes a war crime. The document was created by the International Law Commission of the United Nations to codify the legal principles underlying the Nuremberg Trials of Nazi party members following World War II.
Principle VI
"The crimes hereinafter set out are punishable as crimes under international law:
(a) Crimes against peace:
(i) Planning, preparation, initiation or waging of a war of aggression or a war in violation of international treaties, agreements or assurances;
(ii) Participation in a common plan or conspiracy for the accomplishment of any of the acts mentioned under (i).
(b) War crimes:
Violations of the laws or customs of war which include, but are not limited to, murder, ill-treatment or deportation to slave labor or for any other purpose of civilian population of or in occupied territory; murder or ill-treatment of prisoners of war or persons on the Seas, killing of hostages, plunder of public or private property, wanton destruction of cities, towns, or villages, or devastation not justified by military necessity.
(c) Crimes against humanity:
Murder, extermination, enslavement, deportation and other inhumane acts done against any civilian population, or persecutions on political, racial, or religious grounds, when such acts are done or such persecutions are carried on in execution of or in connection with any crime against peace or any war crime."
This makes Trump a war criminal under international law.
I am really tired of the United States being the worst perpetrator of terror in the world.
Principle VI
"The crimes hereinafter set out are punishable as crimes under international law:
(a) Crimes against peace:
(i) Planning, preparation, initiation or waging of a war of aggression or a war in violation of international treaties, agreements or assurances;
(ii) Participation in a common plan or conspiracy for the accomplishment of any of the acts mentioned under (i).
(b) War crimes:
Violations of the laws or customs of war which include, but are not limited to, murder, ill-treatment or deportation to slave labor or for any other purpose of civilian population of or in occupied territory; murder or ill-treatment of prisoners of war or persons on the Seas, killing of hostages, plunder of public or private property, wanton destruction of cities, towns, or villages, or devastation not justified by military necessity.
(c) Crimes against humanity:
Murder, extermination, enslavement, deportation and other inhumane acts done against any civilian population, or persecutions on political, racial, or religious grounds, when such acts are done or such persecutions are carried on in execution of or in connection with any crime against peace or any war crime."
This makes Trump a war criminal under international law.
I am really tired of the United States being the worst perpetrator of terror in the world.
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Posted on 4/8/17 at 6:33 am to WhiskeyPapa
All that work for a stupid talking point.
Sad...
Sad...
Posted on 4/8/17 at 6:36 am to WhiskeyPapa
Nuremberg? Is that kushners podnah?
Posted on 4/8/17 at 6:36 am to WhiskeyPapa
quote:
The Nuremberg Principles And Trump
...and Obama,
...and Bush,
...and Clinton,
...and Bush,
...and as far back as you'd like to go.
This is very weak.
Posted on 4/8/17 at 6:37 am to WhiskeyPapa
This isn't to blindly defend the airstrike or Trump. My question is sincere.
I just don't see how the actions this week violate any of those points. Can you elaborate on which you think the airstrike violated?
I just don't see how the actions this week violate any of those points. Can you elaborate on which you think the airstrike violated?
This post was edited on 4/8/17 at 7:10 am
Posted on 4/8/17 at 6:37 am to WhiskeyPapa
quote:IMPEACH
This makes Trump a war criminal under international law
Posted on 4/8/17 at 6:40 am to Kafka
Oh my god. That's amazing.
Posted on 4/8/17 at 6:49 am to WhiskeyPapa
I'm no Trumpkin but this is stupid. He launched a targeted strike against Assad's instruments of war.
What peace? There's already a war in progress.
The bombing of Syria wasn't any of those.
quote:
(i) Planning, preparation, initiation or waging of a war of aggression or a war in violation of international treaties, agreements or assurances;
(ii) Participation in a common plan or conspiracy for the accomplishment of any of the acts mentioned under (i).
What peace? There's already a war in progress.
quote:
Violations of the laws or customs of war which include, but are not limited to, murder, ill-treatment or deportation to slave labor or for any other purpose of civilian population of or in occupied territory; murder or ill-treatment of prisoners of war or persons on the Seas, killing of hostages, plunder of public or private property, wanton destruction of cities, towns, or villages, or devastation not justified by military necessity.
(c) Crimes against humanity:
Murder, extermination, enslavement, deportation and other inhumane acts done against any civilian population, or persecutions on political, racial, or religious grounds, when such acts are done or such persecutions are carried on in execution of or in connection with any crime against peace or any war crime."
The bombing of Syria wasn't any of those.
Posted on 4/8/17 at 7:06 am to Bestbank Tiger
Don't worry about WP guys. Everyone of his positions comes from chain emails. He's never posted an original though in his entire posting career. Everything is copy pasta. He doesn't even know what he believes. He'll post a completely contradictory opinion tomorrow and not even realize it.
Posted on 4/8/17 at 7:07 am to WhiskeyPapa
Good thing you know how to use Wikipedia.
Posted on 4/8/17 at 7:14 am to WhiskeyPapa
quote:
This makes Trump a war criminal under international law
To paraphrase Andrew Jackson, I see their rules and definitions, now let's see them enforce it.
Posted on 4/8/17 at 7:18 am to Paluka
quote:
The Nuremberg Principles And Trump
...and Obama,
...and Bush,
...and Clinton,
...and Bush,
...and as far back as you'd like to go. This is very weak.
Well, it can't go past 1945 can it? Isn't that correct?
We were right before, now we are wrong. The Bushies at least attempted to get UN sanction before they invaded a sovereign country just like Hitler did.
Yeah, and the Bushies are all war criminals. There was at least a one day wonder back in 2003 when the UN refused to sanction an invasion of Iraq. We are too depraved now even for that.
MONDAY, FEB 7, 2011 12:54 PM EST
Bush cancels Europe trip amid calls for his arrest
Will George W. Bush set foot in Europe again in his lifetime?
A planned trip by Bush to speak at the Switzerland-based United Israel Appeal later this week has been canceled after several human rights groups called for Swiss authorities to arrest Bush and investigate him for authorizing torture. Bush has traveled widely since leaving office, but not to Europe, where there is a strong tradition of international prosecutions.
The Swiss group and Bush’s spokesman claim that it was threats of protest, not of legal action, that prompted the cancellation. But facing protests is nothing new for Bush. What was different about this trip was that groups including Amnesty International and the Center for Constitutional Rights argued that Switzerland, as a party to the UN Convention against Torture, is obligated to investigate Bush for potential prosecution.
Amnesty’s memo to Swiss authorities cites, among other things, Bush’s admission in his own memoir that he approved the use of waterboarding. From Amnesty’s press release:
“To date, we’ve seen a handful of military investigations into detentions and interrogations in Iraq, Afghanistan, and Guantánamo. But none of these has had the independence and reach necessary to investigate high-level officials such as President Bush,” said Salil Shetty, Secretary General of Amnesty International.
“Meanwhile, there has been virtually zero accountability for crimes committed in the CIA’s secret detention program, which was authorized by then-President Bush.”
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Posted on 4/8/17 at 7:21 am to WhiskeyPapa
quote:
I am really tired of the United States being the worst perpetrator of terror in the world.
Then pack up and move to Syria and get back to us on how you like it there.
Posted on 4/8/17 at 7:38 am to WhiskeyPapa
quote:
WhiskeyPapa
You specifically call out the Republicans Presidents as war criminals.. I want to see you post and call out Obama, Clinton as war criminals.. Do you have the balls to post that??
Posted on 4/8/17 at 9:03 am to WhiskeyPapa
quote:
The Nuremberg principles were a set of guidelines for determining what constitutes a war crime.
In order to punish a party that murdered 6 million Jews.
I'd think you'd be against punishing those guys.
Posted on 4/8/17 at 9:10 am to WhiskeyPapa
How can a person read that and come up with such a bizarre conclusion?
Posted on 4/8/17 at 9:17 am to Friscodog
quote:
WhiskeyPapa You specifically call out the Republicans Presidents as war criminals.. I want to see you post and call out Obama, Clinton as war criminals.. Do you have the balls to post that??
Of course.
At least some of Clinton's actions were legal or at least accepted.
Legitimacy of the NATO bombing of Yugoslavia
International acceptance of NATO actions[edit]
Kofi Annan[edit]
UN Secretary-General Kofi Annan supported the intervention in principle, saying "there are times when the use of force may be legitimate in the pursuit of peace", but was critical of unilateral action by NATO. He argued "under the UN Charter the Security Council has primary responsibility for maintaining international peace and security - and this is explicitly acknowledged in the North Atlantic Treaty. Therefore, the Council should be involved in any decision to resort to the use of force."
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Obama's drone strike program was not sanctioned by the UN so far as I know, and throwing missiles into Yemen and other countries were violations of their sovereignty, and so yes were war crimes.
One thing to keep in mind about Bush 43 is that the Bush Administration sought UN permission to invade Iraq. This was denied. That clearly makes the invasion of Iraq a war crime -- waging aggressive war, the same thing the Nazis did.
This post was edited on 4/8/17 at 9:19 am
Posted on 4/8/17 at 9:20 am to WhiskeyPapa
Luckily, international law is worthless and unenforceable.
Posted on 4/8/17 at 9:33 am to Homesick Tiger
quote:
I am really tired of the United States being the worst perpetrator of terror in the world.
Then pack up and move to Syria and get back to us on how you like it there.
No, I think I will stick here and try to make a difference.
"Wherever the standard of freedom and Independence has been or shall be unfurled, there will her heart, her benedictions and her prayers be. But she goes not abroad, in search of monsters to destroy. She is the well-wisher to the freedom and independence of all. She is the champion and vindicator only of her own. She will commend the general cause by the countenance of her voice, and the benignant sympathy of her example. She well knows that by once enlisting under other banners than her own, were they even the banners of foreign independence, she would involve herself beyond the power of extrication, in all the wars of interest and intrigue, of individual avarice, envy, and ambition, which assume the colors and usurp the standard of freedom. The fundamental maxims of her policy would insensibly change from liberty to force.... She might become the dictatress of the world. She would be no longer the ruler of her own spirit....
America's glory is not dominion, but liberty. Her march is the march of the mind. She has a spear and a shield: but the motto upon her shield is, Freedom, Independence, Peace. This has been her Declaration: this has been, as far as her necessary intercourse with the rest of mankind would permit, her practice."
J.Q Adams 7/4/21
Posted on 4/8/17 at 9:49 am to WhiskeyPapa
A worse crime is standing idly by and bearing witness to atrocities against peaceful citizens. This is exactly what precipated the Nuremberg court and laws. Learn your history before you pontificate.
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