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The lady that assaulted the Asian cellist.. punishment for people like her?
Posted on 3/4/24 at 8:20 am
Posted on 3/4/24 at 8:20 am
Was thinking about this crazy arse person the other day and brought it up with a liberal friend.
That woman had numerous arrests, assaults, etc. She walks up and hits a person in the back of the head with a bottle causing potentially serious injury.
My question to him, in the real world, how is the best way to punish a person like that?
She is a danger to those around her. That is apparently a fact you really can't argue against. She has attacked people, but not major injuries (I'll give that to her, and it makes the question more interesting).
So what are we supposed to do with a person like her? Being completely serious and honest.
6 months jail?
5 years jail?
Jail ain't gonna fix her at all. She's gonna get out and do this same shite again.
So what are we supposed to do with these people? They're not safe in society, but we can't lock them up forever can we...
How are we supposed to address dangerous, crazy arse people in society?
And there are tons of crazy people like her. What do we do with them?
That woman had numerous arrests, assaults, etc. She walks up and hits a person in the back of the head with a bottle causing potentially serious injury.
My question to him, in the real world, how is the best way to punish a person like that?
She is a danger to those around her. That is apparently a fact you really can't argue against. She has attacked people, but not major injuries (I'll give that to her, and it makes the question more interesting).
So what are we supposed to do with a person like her? Being completely serious and honest.
6 months jail?
5 years jail?
Jail ain't gonna fix her at all. She's gonna get out and do this same shite again.
So what are we supposed to do with these people? They're not safe in society, but we can't lock them up forever can we...
How are we supposed to address dangerous, crazy arse people in society?
And there are tons of crazy people like her. What do we do with them?
This post was edited on 3/4/24 at 8:35 am
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Posted on 3/4/24 at 8:24 am to i am dan
Sounds like we need to reinstitute the 3 strikes you’re out law again.
Posted on 3/4/24 at 8:24 am to i am dan
Penal colony on an island. See if they can duplicate Australia.
Posted on 3/4/24 at 8:31 am to roadGator
Naw, being serious.
Should we release dangerous people back out to society?
Seems we are. Seems we shouldn't.
Does hitting someone with a bottle deserve a long prison sentence? Or what if that was the 12th time this has happened?
What are we supposed to do here?
Should we release dangerous people back out to society?
Seems we are. Seems we shouldn't.
Does hitting someone with a bottle deserve a long prison sentence? Or what if that was the 12th time this has happened?
What are we supposed to do here?
This post was edited on 3/4/24 at 8:37 am
Posted on 3/4/24 at 8:44 am to i am dan
So SFP didn't show up to discuss political theory because he complained we didn't discuss it here.
Come on in, SFP. Would like to hear your opinion.
Come on in, SFP. Would like to hear your opinion.
Posted on 3/4/24 at 8:49 am to i am dan
Violent crimes typically scale with the injuries.
We cannot.
That depends on their mental competency, but you can only punish people for their actions, and the criminal justice system should only examine the direct actions (no history, etc.)
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but we can't lock them up forever can we.
We cannot.
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How are we supposed to address dangerous, crazy arse people in society?
That depends on their mental competency, but you can only punish people for their actions, and the criminal justice system should only examine the direct actions (no history, etc.)
Posted on 3/4/24 at 8:50 am to i am dan
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Come on in, SFP. Would like to hear your opinion.
He’s busy in another thread trying to convince everyone he’s really a libertarian
Posted on 3/4/24 at 8:52 am to i am dan
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Jail ain't gonna fix her at all. She's gonna get out and do this same shite again.
No reason not to convict and give jail time though. She keeps it up, then you add more time each conviction.
Posted on 3/4/24 at 8:53 am to i am dan
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What are we supposed to do here?
Bullet to the back of the head.
Posted on 3/4/24 at 8:55 am to SlowFlowPro
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and the criminal justice system should only examine the direct actions (no history, etc.)
I really disagree with that part.
So, what should her punishment have been?
This person has a HISTORY of assault and theft.
You don't want to take her history into account? Doesn't a person's criminal history indicate a trend of actions that might reveal repeat actions?
Is one worse? A pedophile who abused one child, or a pedophile who's abused children after being convicted and released? Is one worse that the other? Their histories are different. I see a difference. Should they be treated the same?
I think the history of someone's criminal action paints a more complete picture of the criminal, and it's also evidence of corrective action having no effect.
Again, you didn't really answer the question. What punishment is fitting to low-level but dangerous people like her?
This post was edited on 3/4/24 at 9:08 am
Posted on 3/4/24 at 9:07 am to i am dan
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So, what should her punishment have been?
It's early to assess that because we don't know the extent of the injuries. Will likely end up as a felony.
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You don't want to take her history into account? Doesn't a person's criminal history indicate a trend of actions that might reveal repeat actions?
I think this is systemically used improperly to help the government force pleas in weak cases because of the threat looming over the Defendant.
I'm looking at this issue from a systemic POV. You can always pick terrible single examples to make this look bad, but the policy has to apply to everyone.
Posted on 3/4/24 at 9:11 am to SlowFlowPro
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I think this is systemically used improperly to help the government force pleas in weak cases because of the threat looming over the Defendant.
Aren't most cases plea deals for multiple reasons though? Mainly to keep them from going to court because of the backed up court logs?
I imagine most plea deals actually favor the defendent as well. Reduced sentencing is pretty common. I could be wrong there.
Of course the policy should apply to everyone equally.
Otherwise you have an unfair system.
I understand there's a million moving parts to politics, but we should be able to come up with some common sense ideas.
This post was edited on 3/4/24 at 9:14 am
Posted on 3/4/24 at 9:14 am to i am dan
Did you ever answer what your "liberal friend" suggested should happen to that malcontent?
Posted on 3/4/24 at 9:18 am to SlowFlowPro
Policies may never apply to everyone equally.
A head football coach at a BIG10 school gets pulled over with a bunch of controlled substances not in his name. Nothing happened. Political leaders other then Trump will never get charged with anything.. they only have to endure the fake grandstanding that amounts to nothing.
Many people have the get out of jail free card.
A head football coach at a BIG10 school gets pulled over with a bunch of controlled substances not in his name. Nothing happened. Political leaders other then Trump will never get charged with anything.. they only have to endure the fake grandstanding that amounts to nothing.
Many people have the get out of jail free card.
This post was edited on 3/4/24 at 9:24 am
Posted on 3/4/24 at 9:19 am to idlewatcher
We really couldn't figure it out.
I think he may have brought up mental institutions as a little joke with some truth behind it.
I think he may have brought up mental institutions as a little joke with some truth behind it.
Posted on 3/4/24 at 9:21 am to i am dan
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I think he may have brought up mental institutions as a little joke with some truth behind it.
All comedy aside, I do hope she gets charged. Can't have people like that walking amongst us.
Posted on 3/4/24 at 9:25 am to i am dan
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5 years jail?
Jail ain't gonna fix her at all. She's gonna get out and do this same shite again.
not after 5 years in jail she wont
and i she does, another 5 years in jail will make sure she never thinks about it again
why do people assume not punishing someone fixes anything?
Posted on 3/4/24 at 9:30 am to keakar
They had another similar incident with an Asian guy playing a piano perhaps in a subway, I don't really recall.
Some lunatic black chick came and pushed his piano down and stole his tip money.
Well, they were able to find out who it was and someone doxxed her. She pleaded to the asian dude to stop the madness and she has a charge against her.
Some lunatic black chick came and pushed his piano down and stole his tip money.
Well, they were able to find out who it was and someone doxxed her. She pleaded to the asian dude to stop the madness and she has a charge against her.
Posted on 3/4/24 at 9:31 am to i am dan
Shoot them where they stand.
Posted on 3/4/24 at 9:33 am to i am dan
I have no idea what the system can do to her but I do know what society should do to her.
She needs a good arse whipping and public shaming.
She needs a good arse whipping and public shaming.
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