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The Islamist Project can only succeed if Western Progressives willingly Acquiesce.
Posted on 5/23/17 at 11:35 am
Posted on 5/23/17 at 11:35 am
Progressives provide the cultural oxygen that Islamism requires. It empowers it and sustains it. Without the Cultural cover that Progressives provide, none of this is possible. Take a moment this morning to survey the carnage and ponder the distinct possibility that your progressive world view makes it all possible. Progressivism sets the pins up, and the Islamists knock them down.
Of course admitting this requires self-awareness and grappling with some pretty sobering realities. Like the unique properties of Islam that make it incompatible with Western Democracy. Like the fact that Islamism is the primary totalitarian movement of our times and that a very high percentage of standard-issue Muslims (your educated and pleasant neighbor's kid that frequents ISIS websites in the basement) tacitly support it. Like importing more and more Muslims will result in more and more dead children at pop concerts.
Instead of doing any of that, just do what you always do, and wag the Nanny Finger and lecture a "normal" on the many joys and advantages of Islamic immigration. And celebrate activist judges who substitute their fundamentalist Progressive Orthodoxy for The Rule of Law and National security, safe in their wealthy enclaves. Use the terms "racist" and "xenophobe" frequently and get really indignant with your virtue-signalling. But whatever you do, don't look at the photos of the dead or do anything to consider your cultural complicity. That would require an intellectual honesty you do not possess.
I'm not saying you have blood on your hands, but you definitely provide cultural camouflage and cover for those who do. Carry on, Progressives. Submit accordingly. Western Culture isn't going to commit suicide on it's own.
Forward, Progressives !
Of course admitting this requires self-awareness and grappling with some pretty sobering realities. Like the unique properties of Islam that make it incompatible with Western Democracy. Like the fact that Islamism is the primary totalitarian movement of our times and that a very high percentage of standard-issue Muslims (your educated and pleasant neighbor's kid that frequents ISIS websites in the basement) tacitly support it. Like importing more and more Muslims will result in more and more dead children at pop concerts.
Instead of doing any of that, just do what you always do, and wag the Nanny Finger and lecture a "normal" on the many joys and advantages of Islamic immigration. And celebrate activist judges who substitute their fundamentalist Progressive Orthodoxy for The Rule of Law and National security, safe in their wealthy enclaves. Use the terms "racist" and "xenophobe" frequently and get really indignant with your virtue-signalling. But whatever you do, don't look at the photos of the dead or do anything to consider your cultural complicity. That would require an intellectual honesty you do not possess.
I'm not saying you have blood on your hands, but you definitely provide cultural camouflage and cover for those who do. Carry on, Progressives. Submit accordingly. Western Culture isn't going to commit suicide on it's own.
Forward, Progressives !
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Posted on 5/23/17 at 11:39 am to Lsupimp
We should take pains to discuss Islamism and separate it from Islam, because the conflation of those two things confuses the mostly uneducated West. However you feel about Islam, talking and focusing on Islamism in particular has to be something we all do so that we can fight it at the intellectual and ideological level as well.
Posted on 5/23/17 at 11:40 am to Lsupimp
Correct. These are not nice people that we are dealing with. If anyone has a desire to learn more about their intentions they should read the Isis publication, Dabiq. You can Google it.
The cliff notes are: we are going to kill everyone who doesn't convert.
There is no loving our fellow man out of this ideology.
The cliff notes are: we are going to kill everyone who doesn't convert.
There is no loving our fellow man out of this ideology.
This post was edited on 5/23/17 at 11:43 am
Posted on 5/23/17 at 11:42 am to crazy4lsu
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We should take pains to discuss Islamism and separate it from Islam
Good luck doing that on this board.
Posted on 5/23/17 at 11:44 am to Mo Jeaux
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Good luck doing that on this board.
I literally mention it with every post. The conflation aids the Islamists. We have to separate it. It is a necessity.
Posted on 5/23/17 at 11:44 am to crazy4lsu
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We should take pains to discuss Islamism and separate it from Islam, because the conflation of those two things confuses the mostly uneducated West. However you feel about Islam, talking and focusing on Islamism in particular has to be something we all do so that we can fight it at the intellectual and ideological level as well.
Was the guy who committed this act an Islamist? What would he have been doing two days ago to identify himself as such to you or me had we run across him, versus just a good peaceful follower of Islam?
Posted on 5/23/17 at 11:46 am to Y.A. Tittle
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Was the guy who committed this act an Islamist?
Res ipsa loquitur.
Posted on 5/23/17 at 11:47 am to Mo Jeaux
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Res ipsa loquitur.
Was he on Sunday, though?
Posted on 5/23/17 at 11:47 am to Lsupimp
Liberals are the sheep that are inviting the Muslim wolves over for dinner.
Posted on 5/23/17 at 11:48 am to Y.A. Tittle
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Was he on Sunday, though?
Probably safe to assume that he was.
Posted on 5/23/17 at 11:48 am to Y.A. Tittle
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Was the guy who committed this act an Islamist?
I have no idea.
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What would he have been doing two days ago to identify himself as such to you or me had we run across him, versus just a good peaceful follower of Islam?
If he was going to a Salafi or Wahhabi mosque, as was likely, then that is a strong indication. There aren't that many terrorists who follow the Hanafi, Maliki, or Shafi'i schools. The Hanbali school has always been the most extreme, and also almost solely practiced in Arabia itself.
Posted on 5/23/17 at 11:50 am to crazy4lsu
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We should take pains to discuss Islamism and separate it from Islam
We do have a distinct problem (nationally not just on this board) of not being able to separate the extremist version (Islamism) vs the every day run of the mill (Islam).
The biggest issue between the two is that Islamism does not recognize Christians and Jews as believers, despite the fact that all three religions worship the same God. The God of Abraham. Islam recognizes this a accepts Christians and Jews as believers.
Islamism believes Christians and Jews (and all others who are not Muslim) must convert, or die.
Posted on 5/23/17 at 12:12 pm to ibleedprplngld
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The biggest issue between the two is that Islamism does not recognize Christians and Jews as believers, despite the fact that all three religions worship the same God. The God of Abraham. Islam recognizes this a accepts Christians and Jews as believers.
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Islamism believes Christians and Jews (and all others who are not Muslim) must convert, or die.
It's a distinction without practical meaning when TENS of millions of Muslims support Islamism.
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The reality is that the Islamic State is Islamic. Very Islamic. Yes, it has attracted psychopaths and adventure seekers, drawn largely from the disaffected populations of the Middle East and Europe. But the religion preached by its most ardent followers derives from coherent and even learned interpretations of Islam.
Virtually every major decision and law promulgated by the Islamic State adheres to what it calls, in its press and pronouncements, and on its billboards, license plates, stationery, and coins, “the Prophetic methodology,” which means following the prophecy and example of Muhammad, in punctilious detail. Muslims can reject the Islamic State; nearly all do. But pretending that it isn’t actually a religious, millenarian group, with theology that must be understood to be combatted, has already led the United States to underestimate it and back foolish schemes to counter it. We’ll need to get acquainted with the Islamic State’s intellectual genealogy if we are to react in a way that will not strengthen it, but instead help it self-immolate in its own excessive zeal.
Posted on 5/23/17 at 12:17 pm to Lsupimp
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It's a distinction without practical meaning when TENS of millions of Muslims support Islamism.
As opposed to the hundreds of millions that don't. The continual conflation amounts to the essential elevation of the Islamist and the Salafist in particular above the older schools and ideas. I'm well aware of the Islamist genealogy, from Wahhabis to the Deobindis to the Salafis, and every group in between. They've convinced the West that their version is somehow synonymous with orthodoxy when the actual pattern of practice in early Islam shows considerable variation.
Posted on 5/23/17 at 12:20 pm to Lsupimp
We need to stop ignoring the source of the problem
Posted on 5/23/17 at 12:30 pm to Lsupimp
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It's a distinction without practical meaning when TENS of millions of Muslims support Islamism.
I have to disagree, respectfully of course.
It's a distinction that has to made when HUNDREDS of millions of Muslims support Islam.
We tend to forget, Islamist make up a small percentage of the 2nd largest religion on earth.
This post was edited on 5/23/17 at 12:30 pm
Posted on 5/23/17 at 12:30 pm to crazy4lsu
Oh , I know YOU are aware of it. I'm simply pointing out the folly of the Progressive Western conceit of taking their very specific words and motivations, running it through the Multicultural Niceties Machine, and spitting out some glib statement that they aren't "real" Muslims. Of course they are. That's the challenge. They are difficult to discredit among rank and file Muslims because they appeal to a stripped-down ancient version that appeals to the disaffected. And Islam itself can not really be said to have undergone a Reformation, until these people are discredited and number in the thousands, instead of the tens of millions.
Posted on 5/23/17 at 12:37 pm to Lsupimp
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I'm simply pointing out the folly of the Progressive Western conceit of taking their very specific words and motivations, running it through the Multicultural Niceties Machine, and spitting out some glib statement that they aren't "real" Muslims.
I agree completely. I think that starting to talk to people about Islamists and that history can help drive that difference home. The problem is also one almost exclusively with Sunni Muslims.
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They are difficult to discredit among rank and file Muslims because they appeal to a stripped-down ancient version that appeals to the disaffected.
Which nation-state who is our supposed close ally do we have to thank for that?
The appeal of Islamism is also intoxicating to those second generation immigrants because of its supra-national appeal.
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And Islam itself can not really be said to have undergone a Reformation, until these people are discredited and number in the thousands, instead of the tens of millions.
I agree completely. But there has to be a cogent approach to dealing with the Islamists first. There are numerous insane conspiracy theories about Shia working with Westerners and Israelis to subjugate the Sunni Muslims, who end up fodder for Islamists. Anti-Shia bigotry is driving Islamism. We have to talk about it and be educated about differences. But it seems like the Sunnis will have to do it as well. The progressives are too ignorant to know the difference.
Posted on 5/23/17 at 1:36 pm to crazy4lsu
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I literally mention it with every post. The conflation aids the Islamists. We have to separate it. It is a necessity.
I am aware of the difference - but until I hear the "good" hundreds of millions of Muslims declare loudly the difference it really don't make no difference to me.
The distinction is not something that non-Muslims should worry about. If the 'good" hundreds of millions of Muslims are not concerned enough to separate themselves from the Islamists, why should Western civilization make the intellectual effort to differentiate the two.
My view of Muslims will improve a lot when they, themselves make some effort to distinguish themselves from the barbarians. Until then, I just assume they are allowing someone else to do their dirty work for them.
The onus is on Islam to make the distinction. That is the least they can do to help the rest of the world out. Don't rely on us to get all involved in their tribal histories that drive all this nonsense. Take a stand for what is good and productive and robustly condemn that which is brutal, barbaric, worthless, and evil.
Posted on 5/23/17 at 1:39 pm to crazy4lsu
quote:That's probably true. It's why Obama resisted the "radical Islam" label - because he was trying to maintain the soft middle in places like Indonesia. However, the conflation itself is also true - there really is no such thing as "moderate Islam". And to the extent there is, they are the ones enabling "radical Islam". The entire detestable enterprise is incompatible with modern life.
The conflation aids the Islamists.
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