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Posted on 5/4/17 at 11:46 am to
Posted by Haughton99
Haughton
Member since Feb 2009
6124 posts
Posted on 5/4/17 at 11:46 am to
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I have Humana Gold and I still had a high co pay for my surgery. My health Care premiums are ridiculous. Ask any small business how Ocare is working out for them.

I don't have the inclination to argue with your silly arse; in which your bottom line is the indefensible Ocare.


And the AHCA makes any of that better how?
Posted by IT_Dawg
Georgia
Member since Oct 2012
21867 posts
Posted on 5/4/17 at 11:51 am to
His premiums will go down and HE won't pay for birth control, mammograms, vaginal swabbing, etc.
Posted by stuntman
Florida
Member since Jan 2013
9124 posts
Posted on 5/4/17 at 11:52 am to
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Under Obamacare, preexisting conditions were guaranteed to receive coverage (because you should care about your fellow man. Everyone has a right to live right Pro-Lifer's?)


I love this line of "reasoning". Tell me, why do you need politicians and bureaucrats to show how much you "care about your fellow man"? What's stopping you and your comrades from helping these people out VOLUNTARILY?

Posted by BamaAtl
South of North
Member since Dec 2009
21938 posts
Posted on 5/4/17 at 11:52 am to
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His premiums will go down


She has a PEC now, her premiums will go up. Way, way, way up.
Posted by HeavyCore
Member since Sep 2012
2552 posts
Posted on 5/4/17 at 11:55 am to
No. They won't. Almost everything is getting a hike.


Posted by HeavyCore
Member since Sep 2012
2552 posts
Posted on 5/4/17 at 11:57 am to
We did. It was called ObamaCare and I was happy to pay it.
Posted by Haughton99
Haughton
Member since Feb 2009
6124 posts
Posted on 5/4/17 at 11:58 am to
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is premiums will go down and HE won't pay for birth control, mammograms, vaginal swabbing, etc.


Tell you what. If someone told you that you would be forced to vote for the next Dem candidate for President if the AHCA didn't make your premiums go down would you take that bet?

Spreading costs of preventative medicine is better for everyone.
Posted by dantes69
Boise, Id.
Member since Aug 2011
2022 posts
Posted on 5/4/17 at 12:00 pm to
my wife and I, both 59, live on a fixed income, after our last child was born, 27 years ago today, she had her tubes tied so we didn't have to worry about getting pregnant again, please tell me why we have to pay for birth control under O-Care.
Posted by stuntman
Florida
Member since Jan 2013
9124 posts
Posted on 5/4/17 at 12:01 pm to
What? How in the hell is Obamacare voluntary? You think those three thousand pages were just for decoration?
Posted by KCT
Psalm 23:5
Member since Feb 2010
38911 posts
Posted on 5/4/17 at 12:02 pm to
Thanks for the link. I just got home for lunch.

I hope they vote soon
Posted by HeavyCore
Member since Sep 2012
2552 posts
Posted on 5/4/17 at 12:03 pm to
It didn't need to be voluntary. If you don't care that everyone has a basic right to go to a hospital and receive care then I don't know what to tell you, except that you are an awful human being.
Posted by redfishfan
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2015
4425 posts
Posted on 5/4/17 at 12:03 pm to
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We did. It was called ObamaCare and I was happy to pay it.


You do know the meaning of voluntary right?
Posted by stuntman
Florida
Member since Jan 2013
9124 posts
Posted on 5/4/17 at 12:06 pm to
So, services are rights?

Here's what people like you don't get: costs are outrageous in healthcare BECAUSE of government. What do you advocate for? MORE of it.

Your economic illiteracy is killing this country.
Posted by ChopBlockOclock
Your Head
Member since Jan 2017
800 posts
Posted on 5/4/17 at 12:07 pm to
Nobody has never been denied care. If I break my leg I can go to any hospital and get help. This is about affordabilty which is something Ocare does not address.

Obamacare is no better if those who want it cant afford it because of skyrocketing premiums. Robbing Peter to pay Paul is all Ocare is.
Posted by WorkinDawg
Atlanta
Member since Sep 2012
9341 posts
Posted on 5/4/17 at 12:07 pm to
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It didn't need to be voluntary. If you don't care that everyone has a basic right to go to a hospital and receive care then I don't know what to tell you, except that you are an awful human being.


Except that everyone already had that right. A hospital cannot refuse treatment based on ability to pay. That was already law.
Posted by bonhoeffer45
Member since Jul 2016
4367 posts
Posted on 5/4/17 at 12:09 pm to
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Here's what people like you don't get: costs are outrageous in healthcare BECAUSE of government. What do you advocate for? MORE of it.

Your economic illiteracy is killing this country.



And yet, we spend the most on healthcare in the world and have a more private market system then any other industrialized country.

Something is not adding up here.
This post was edited on 5/4/17 at 12:10 pm
Posted by bonhoeffer45
Member since Jul 2016
4367 posts
Posted on 5/4/17 at 12:11 pm to
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Obamacare is no better if those who want it cant afford it because of skyrocketing premiums. Robbing Peter to pay Paul is all Ocare is.




How does the AHCA fix this?

Anser, it doesnt. The GOP thinks high deductibles are a feature, not a flaw. Making people spend more money is literally their solution to bring down costs.
Posted by HeavyCore
Member since Sep 2012
2552 posts
Posted on 5/4/17 at 12:12 pm to
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Your economic illiteracy is killing this country.


And your acceptance of pricing out healthcare to the poor is killing people.
Posted by stuntman
Florida
Member since Jan 2013
9124 posts
Posted on 5/4/17 at 12:13 pm to
Our government spends the 3rd most per capita on healthcare in the world. Our health care industy is bound up in miles of red tape.

Again, government is the problem.
Posted by ChopBlockOclock
Your Head
Member since Jan 2017
800 posts
Posted on 5/4/17 at 12:13 pm to
I am not saying it does. Im not in favor of this new bill. They needed to take some more time to correct this in my opinion. Its being passed like Ocare was and I dont like repeating mistakes. Especially when these are the same people that criticized that very same shady bill.

My comment above was about Ocare specifically not about AHCA.
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