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The Deep State Document Hunt Against Donald Trump in Context

Posted on 6/19/23 at 7:47 am
Posted by GumboPot
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Posted on 6/19/23 at 7:47 am
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After reading the entire 75-page transcript of the National Archives and Records Administration (NARA) testimony to congress [READ HERE], a testimonial that almost no one in the mainstream news has written about, issues surrounding the document search against President Trump take on some new context.


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President Trump did not turn over the letter left to him by President Obama, nor did President Trump turn over the 27 letters exchanged between himself and North Korea Chairman Kim Jong-un. NARA was looking for these along with other documents pertaining to President Trump engaging in discussions with other foreign leaders, and NARA was angry about the perceived lack of respect shown by Trump toward their endeavor.

However, when you take the current DC establishment system, look at the history of the Trump administration engagement in foreign policy, then overlay that dynamic with the gatekeeping responsibilities outlined by NARA, what you may discover is an entirely different prism through which to view the DC motives.


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NARA officials view themselves, their role, as more important than the President of the United States, that is very clear. NARA officials consider themselves “gatekeepers” to government information. The gatekeepers were not happy with President Trump not following protocols when he was not in office. An example from media:

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The Washington Post’s Greg Miller reported Sunday that President Donald Trump’s confiscation of the translator’s notes from a one-on-one conversation with Russian President Vladimir Putin in 2017 was “unusual.” This is incorrect. It was unprecedented. There is nothing like it in the annals of presidential history.

It is also truly unusual that Trump failed to bring in a note taker, along with his translator, during his meetings with Putin, as almost every other president has done when meeting with foreign heads of state since the end of World War II. Usually the note taker is an official or aide with deep background in the subject under discussion.



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President Trump was violating institutional norms. He was not following the unwritten rules of the DC bureaucracy; a political system that is predicated on maintenance of a financial system where US policy is promoted with laundered dollars that flow back to the politicians.

Think about the risk that DC viewed from Trump’s processes that violated their norms. Think about the meetings they would not know about. Think about the conversations that might take place without their knowledge.

Think about Vladimir Putin (Russia), Abdel Fattah al-Sisi (Egypt), Mohammed Bin Salmon (Saudi), Viktor Orban (Hungary), or even Lopez-Obrador (Mexico), talking openly to President Trump about how their nations were told to engage with U.S. political systems via the State Dept., or functional politicians on various committees.

Think about the apoplexy amid a DC system built on selling foreign policy and gaining affluence, when suddenly there is a guy in the office of the President who has never made a dime from this network and financial construct. Think about how the DC Democrats and Republicans would view Trump from the perspective of his personal engagement with foreign government officials who know the dirt on those same DC Democrats and Republicans. Think about the fear inside the beltway as a result of this.


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Posted by TrueTiger
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Member since Sep 2004
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Posted on 6/19/23 at 7:53 am to
Can someone help me?

I can't find 'NARA' in the Constitution.









Oh, nevermind.


I see it was set up by the socialist FDR administration. That explains a few things.
Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
118823 posts
Posted on 6/19/23 at 7:55 am to
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I can't find 'NARA' in the Constitution.


Institutional norms>>>>>>>Constitution.
Posted by Hooligan's Ghost
Member since Jul 2013
5189 posts
Posted on 6/19/23 at 8:15 am to
the librarians are big mad to him
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 6/19/23 at 8:29 am to
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a political system that is predicated on maintenance of a financial system where US policy is promoted with laundered dollars that flow back to the politicians.


Seems like legit analysis
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 6/19/23 at 8:31 am to
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Institutional norms>>>>>>>Constitution.


Congressional acts aren't in the Constitution?

Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
118823 posts
Posted on 6/19/23 at 8:36 am to
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Institutional norms>>>>>>>Constitution.



Congressional acts aren't in the Constitution?


I thought that this comment was so outrageous that it did not need a sarcasm disclaimer. The point is many politicians in Washington probably think and behave this way.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 6/19/23 at 8:54 am to
You were responding to someone saying they can't find NARA in the Constitution.

NARA was created via Congressional Act (and shuffled around in the Executive, which is also in the Constitution).

So yeah, I ask again: Congressional acts aren't in the Constitution?
Posted by Vacherie Saint
Member since Aug 2015
39495 posts
Posted on 6/19/23 at 9:06 am to
It sounds like at least 1/3 of those “highly classified and sensitive national security” documents seized by the feds were just diplomatic letters between Trump and other world leaders. Maybe this is why they are fighting public disclosure so hard.
Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
118823 posts
Posted on 6/19/23 at 9:08 am to
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So yeah, I ask again: Congressional acts aren't in the Constitution?



NARA is as constitutional as the PRA.

There is no legislation named "institutional norms" that I am aware of.
Posted by Vacherie Saint
Member since Aug 2015
39495 posts
Posted on 6/19/23 at 9:09 am to
What about the institutional norm of not trying to jail your political opposition?
Posted by 20 ton
BR
Member since Aug 2013
795 posts
Posted on 6/19/23 at 9:12 am to
So explain how letters from a former president or foreign leaders couldn’t reasonably considered personal papers which he has a right to keep. They have been looking for any excuse including fabricated ones to attack him.

Makes me determined to vote for him for no other reason than to lift a middle finger to these elitist assholes.
Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
118823 posts
Posted on 6/19/23 at 9:15 am to
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Maybe this is why they are fighting public disclosure so hard.



Probably so. When Trump met with these world leaders he met with them alone so they could freely talk and discuss matters between nations without the nosey arse deep state controlling things from behind. I'm sure that drove the State Department, CIA and generals crazy. Permanent Washington LIVES off of secrecy and compartmentalization. Without the information discussed between Trump and other world leaders it paralyzed these departments. It froze them. They had to wait on instructions from the CiC in order to proceed in certain manners (because they lacked current information), the way it should be.

For example Biden does not have one on one meetings with world leaders. The puppet masters are driving these conversations in the shadows. World leaders do not speak freely with Biden. They do not trust him because they know they are not talking to Biden.
Posted by BengalOnTheBay
Member since Aug 2022
3855 posts
Posted on 6/19/23 at 9:16 am to
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Congressional acts aren't in the Constitution?


Some are, some aren't. Thats why we have a Supreme Court to adjudicate those sorts of things.
Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
118823 posts
Posted on 6/19/23 at 9:18 am to
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So explain how letters from a former president or foreign leaders couldn’t reasonably considered personal papers which he has a right to keep. They have been looking for any excuse including fabricated ones to attack him.


The DOJ NSD invented a new term. "Agency documents". They had to do this to avoid the PRA.
Posted by Jax-Tiger
Port Saint Lucie, FL
Member since Jan 2005
24749 posts
Posted on 6/19/23 at 9:19 am to
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Trump failed to bring in a note taker


For this, he must die.
Posted by loogaroo
Welsh
Member since Dec 2005
30682 posts
Posted on 6/19/23 at 9:21 am to
It's what we knew all along. He cut off their gravy train and they got paranoid.

That whole town survives off of pedaling influence. It's all they know.

It's why people are delusional to think anyone but Trump can change it.
This post was edited on 6/19/23 at 9:46 am
Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
118823 posts
Posted on 6/19/23 at 9:23 am to
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Trump failed to bring in a note taker



For this, he must die.



It is a MAJOR violation of Permanent Washington "institutional norms". Without a note taker the deep state does not know what was discussed and they cannot act accordingly (for or against the POTUS's wishes on any specific foreign policy issue).

That simple act actually returns the rightful Article 2 powers to the CiC and keeps the deep state under the command of the CiC. The deep state HATES that.
Posted by Decatur
Member since Mar 2007
28719 posts
Posted on 6/19/23 at 9:24 am to
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The DOJ NSD invented a new term. "Agency documents". They had to do this to avoid the PRA.


Are you intentionally misleading people?
Posted by Riverside
Member since Jul 2022
2326 posts
Posted on 6/19/23 at 9:27 am to
I don’t feel misled by his posts. Maybe it’s just you?
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