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The dark rigidity of fundamentalist rural America
Posted on 12/22/16 at 8:29 am
Posted on 12/22/16 at 8:29 am
oh boy!
ironic comment is ironic
know thyself, son (or daughter, whatever you identify as)
oh boy. we all know where this one is going. i'm sure the author will have a deep examination of his beliefs and those of his peers to understand why they were rejected, en masse, on Nov 8
nevermind
"If you run into an a-hole in the morning, you ran into an a-hole. If you run into assholes all day, you're the a-hole." -Raylan Givens
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As the aftermath of the election of Donald Trump is being sorted out, a common theme keeps cropping up from all sides: “Democrats failed to understand white, working-class, fly-over America.”
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It doesn’t matter how many people say it, it is complete bullshite. It is an intellectual/linguistic sleight of hand meant to throw attention away from the real problem. The real problem isn’t east coast elites who don’t understand or care about rural America. The real problem is rural America doesn’t understand the causes of their own situations and fears and they have shown no interest in finding out. They don’t want to know why they feel the way they do or why they are struggling because they don’t want to admit it is in large part because of choices they’ve made and horrible things they’ve allowed themselves to believe.
ironic comment is ironic
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The problem is they don’t understand themselves, the reasons for their anger/frustrations, and don’t seem to care to know why.
know thyself, son (or daughter, whatever you identify as)
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The problem isn’t “coastal elites don’t understand rural Americans.” The problem is rural America doesn’t understand itself and will NEVER listen to anyone outside their bubble.
oh boy. we all know where this one is going. i'm sure the author will have a deep examination of his beliefs and those of his peers to understand why they were rejected, en masse, on Nov 8
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Another problem with rural, Christian, white Americans is they are racists.
nevermind
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Another major problem with closed-off, fundamentalist belief systems is they are very susceptible to propaganda.
"If you run into an a-hole in the morning, you ran into an a-hole. If you run into assholes all day, you're the a-hole." -Raylan Givens
This post was edited on 12/22/16 at 8:33 am
Posted on 12/22/16 at 8:32 am to SlowFlowPro
The "competing interests" of the big city vs rural country narrative is ancient in politics, and another reason why the electoral college is so, so important.
Intellectuals have absolutely no humility when they discuss what rural Americans want/need and how they think.
Intellectuals have absolutely no humility when they discuss what rural Americans want/need and how they think.
This post was edited on 12/22/16 at 8:33 am
Posted on 12/22/16 at 8:32 am to SlowFlowPro
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If you run into an a-hole in the morning, you ran into an a-hole.
Yeah, seriously, that guy is an a-hole.
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If you run into assholes all day, you're the a-hole.
Uh oh.
Posted on 12/22/16 at 8:32 am to SlowFlowPro
Holy shite
Is that not a parody? I've always been amused here over the years when certain board leftists will brag about a certain level of schools/income/jobs they'll say: "Well everyone I know there/with that job/whatever is very liberal and votes D." They've become proud of having no diversity of opinion.
Is that not a parody? I've always been amused here over the years when certain board leftists will brag about a certain level of schools/income/jobs they'll say: "Well everyone I know there/with that job/whatever is very liberal and votes D." They've become proud of having no diversity of opinion.
Posted on 12/22/16 at 8:34 am to SlowFlowPro
frick whoever wrote that piece of shite
Posted on 12/22/16 at 8:35 am to NIH
this is the least self aware and most ironic shite i've read in a long time
he literally throws out the entire gauntlet wrapped in smug buffoonery and ignorance
you could literally write this exact same article and just change labels and it applies to him
he literally throws out the entire gauntlet wrapped in smug buffoonery and ignorance
you could literally write this exact same article and just change labels and it applies to him
Posted on 12/22/16 at 8:36 am to LordoftheManor
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Intellectuals have absolutely no humility when they discuss what rural Americans want/need and how they think.
even if we don't switch the "sides"
his argument, on face value, rips many black populations apart
...while he speaks of implied racism of others
Posted on 12/22/16 at 8:37 am to SlowFlowPro
That is emotionally, intellectually and logically insulting on so many levels.
Posted on 12/22/16 at 8:39 am to Damone
at a time when these people should be looking inward to see why their political gospel is being rejected, they have flat rejected the data and doubled down on their beliefs. they think the problem is they didn't work hard enough to spread their message
this is great for me. guarantees me plenty to work with for years
this is great for me. guarantees me plenty to work with for years
Posted on 12/22/16 at 8:39 am to SlowFlowPro
"The problem isn't the elites not understanding the common man, now let me tell you how the common man is too stupid to understand."
Does no one in the room ever stop and say "maybe we're the assholes"?
Posted on 12/22/16 at 8:41 am to SlowFlowPro
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At some point during the discussion, “That’s your education talking,” will be said, derogatorily, as a general dismissal of everything I said. They truly believe this is a legitimate response because to them education is not to be trusted. Education is the enemy of fundamentalism because fundamentalism, by its very nature, is not built on facts. The fundamentalists I grew up around aren’t anti-education. They want their kids to know how to read and write. They are anti-quality, in-depth, broad, specialized education. Learning is only valued up to the certain point. Once it reaches the level where what you learn contradicts doctrine and fundamentalist arguments, it becomes dangerous. I watched a lot of my fellow students who were smart, stop their education the day they graduated high school. For most of the young ladies, getting married and having kids was more important than continuing their learning. For many of the young men, getting a college education was seen as unnecessary and a waste of time. For the few who did go to college, what they learned was still filtered through their fundamentalist belief system. If something they were taught didn’t support a preconception, it would be ignored and forgotten the second it was no longer needed to pass an exam.
Author of the article clearly knows what is best for these barbarians.
This article is arrogant, sad, and even hateful.
Posted on 12/22/16 at 8:43 am to SlowFlowPro
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at a time when these people should be looking inward to see why their political gospel is being rejected, they have flat rejected the data and doubled down on their beliefs. they think the problem is they didn't work hard enough to spread their message
They've been ignoring the data for years. Communism/socialism is based on ignoring basic human nature.
Posted on 12/22/16 at 8:45 am to SlowFlowPro
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The real problem is rural America doesn’t understand the causes of their own situations and fears and they have shown no interest in finding out.
making boogeymen out of east coast elites, clinging to their guns and bible.
the downside of living by faith is that you are clueless about everything.
Posted on 12/22/16 at 8:46 am to SlowFlowPro
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The problem is they don’t understand themselves, the reasons for their anger/frustrations, and don’t seem to care to know why.
They're projecting again.
Posted on 12/22/16 at 8:46 am to hendersonshands
Apparently his time spent in rural areas didn't take. I suspect the calico dresses didn't open for him.
Posted on 12/22/16 at 8:46 am to SlowFlowPro
Some great comments
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Oh, look, another Champion of Tolerance spewing hate speech against an entire demographic. If he'd done this to women, it would be called mansplaining. If he'd done it to Jews he'd be called anti-Semitic. But since he's targeting white Christians west of Philly and east of San Diego, that somehow makes it acceptable. He comes off like a pretentious waiter explaining to customers why he is owed a gratuity and they don't deserve good service. An election is a contest between sales teams. The Democrats had a product America didn't want, and they failed to sell it. Stamping your feet and pouting that your failure to sell your product is actually a failure on the part of your tasteless customers isn't going to get you the sale. It's just going to further alienate the customers. Instead of absorbing this lesson, though, the author, like the Democratic Party itself, is just doubling down and insulting the customers louder. The author is practicing the same sort of fundamentalism he criticizes. He sees his own worldview as being the only right one, the only acceptable one, and everyone else just has to get with the program OR ELSE. And we wonder why rednecks arm themselves against a future where Hillbots put them into concentration camps. The author is as out-of-touch as has been alleged. He claims to be from fly-over country himself, but given that he won't even sign his name to this hateful screed, we can't exactly take him at his word. I am a lifelong resident of where Appalachia meets the Rust Belt, and the girls here don't wear dresses except to church and proms. Even then, they aren't made of gingham. That's a stereotype that lives only in the imaginations of Judy Garland fans in Greenwich Village. I doubt this guy has ever left his own borough, let alone ventured outside the City.
Posted on 12/22/16 at 8:48 am to Old Sarge
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I totally agree. This long, long, long, long article was filled with a bigot's stereotypical view of white Christians. As I read it, I realized if white rural Christians, was replaced with black rural baptists, or rural Jews, or rural Muslims, it would not have mattered ...because this person believes that rural America,the whole of it, is responsible for every problem that exists today. A hippocrite bigot, period.
Posted on 12/22/16 at 8:49 am to SlowFlowPro
I was going to quote one line and point out the irony...then kept reading.
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