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The bogus defense of Julius Caesar as Donald Trump.
Posted on 6/12/17 at 8:38 pm
Posted on 6/12/17 at 8:38 pm
Another thread mentioned that Bank of America and Delta had pulled their sponsorship of the Julius Caesar production which depicted Caesar as Donald Trump and Calpurnia as Melania. Good for them.
Today we learned that the New York Times defended the production and would continue to support it. No surprise there.
But let's take a look at the bullshite explanation by both the director as well as the reviewer from the NYT. First of all, from the NYT reviewer, Jesse Green:
"“Even a cursory reading of the play, the kind that many American teenagers give it in high school, is enough to show that it does not advocate assassination. Shakespeare portrays the killing of Caesar by seven of his fellow senators as an unmitigated disaster for Rome, no matter how patriotic the intentions.”
This is condescending bullshite. "Cursory reading of the play"? Like in high school? Green assumes that his readers either never read the play or else slept through English class. From the final climactic scene, after Brutus has committed suicide, the dialogue between Marc Antony and Octavius:
Antony:
"This was the noblest Roman of them all:
All the conspirators save only he
Did that they did in envy of great Caesar;
He only, in a general honest thought
And common good to all, made one of them.
Octavius:
According to his virtue let us use him,
With all respect and rites of burial.
Within my tent his bones to-night shall lie,
Most like a soldier, order'd honourably."
That's right. The guy who the audience saw brutally stab Caesar/Trump in such a bloody fashion was the noblest Roman/American of them all...worthy of having his body lie in state and a funeral with full military honors.
But no, the play doesn't advocate assassination of Trump.
The director, Oskar Eustis, on the theatre company's website, offers more condescending bullshite, claiming that there are four possible protagonists in the play. Sure, there are other major characters. But anyone who has ever studied the play knows that Brutus...i.e., the guy who stabbed Trump to death...is the tragic HERO of the play, meeting the classic definition in every sense. That's right...tragic HERO.
The play is titled Julius Caesar, but the play isn't about Caesar. It's about Brutus and his struggle with his decision to join the conspiracy, and his downfall as a tragic hero. Green and Eustis's defense of the production is an insult to the intelligence of anyone who ever engaged in that "cursory reading of the play, the kind that many American teenagers give it in high school."
Again, good for Delta and BoA. I may just sign up for a credit card and go buy a plane ticket.
Today we learned that the New York Times defended the production and would continue to support it. No surprise there.
But let's take a look at the bullshite explanation by both the director as well as the reviewer from the NYT. First of all, from the NYT reviewer, Jesse Green:
"“Even a cursory reading of the play, the kind that many American teenagers give it in high school, is enough to show that it does not advocate assassination. Shakespeare portrays the killing of Caesar by seven of his fellow senators as an unmitigated disaster for Rome, no matter how patriotic the intentions.”
This is condescending bullshite. "Cursory reading of the play"? Like in high school? Green assumes that his readers either never read the play or else slept through English class. From the final climactic scene, after Brutus has committed suicide, the dialogue between Marc Antony and Octavius:
Antony:
"This was the noblest Roman of them all:
All the conspirators save only he
Did that they did in envy of great Caesar;
He only, in a general honest thought
And common good to all, made one of them.
Octavius:
According to his virtue let us use him,
With all respect and rites of burial.
Within my tent his bones to-night shall lie,
Most like a soldier, order'd honourably."
That's right. The guy who the audience saw brutally stab Caesar/Trump in such a bloody fashion was the noblest Roman/American of them all...worthy of having his body lie in state and a funeral with full military honors.
But no, the play doesn't advocate assassination of Trump.
The director, Oskar Eustis, on the theatre company's website, offers more condescending bullshite, claiming that there are four possible protagonists in the play. Sure, there are other major characters. But anyone who has ever studied the play knows that Brutus...i.e., the guy who stabbed Trump to death...is the tragic HERO of the play, meeting the classic definition in every sense. That's right...tragic HERO.
The play is titled Julius Caesar, but the play isn't about Caesar. It's about Brutus and his struggle with his decision to join the conspiracy, and his downfall as a tragic hero. Green and Eustis's defense of the production is an insult to the intelligence of anyone who ever engaged in that "cursory reading of the play, the kind that many American teenagers give it in high school."
Again, good for Delta and BoA. I may just sign up for a credit card and go buy a plane ticket.
Posted on 6/12/17 at 9:19 pm to BamaGradinTn
I don't like the play, and think they should not have made it, simply because 99% of lefties have no critical thinking skills, hate Shakespeare because he wuz a white man, and wouldn't get it, but.....
The director is actually right. shite goes really badly for Rome, and especially the conspirators, because of their actions.
Highlights of the play:
- Caesar Dundu nuffin. Like Washington, Caesar is offered the crown, but refuses multiple times. The conspirators don't care, they just want to destroy him, because they hate him, and because he COULD MAYBE become a dictator.
- The assassins lure Caesar to the Senate with some frank bullshite, kill him.
- Brutus continues to try and rationalize his actions. Then Marc Anthony steps in, and points out that Caesar dindu nuffin, never hurt no body, and was bout to turn his life around. The crowd realizes it was basically a political assassination wrapped in pretty words, and fricking goes on a rampage.
- Brutus and the rest of the conspirators die.
Not exactly a ringing endorsement of assassination.
The director is actually right. shite goes really badly for Rome, and especially the conspirators, because of their actions.
Highlights of the play:
- Caesar Dundu nuffin. Like Washington, Caesar is offered the crown, but refuses multiple times. The conspirators don't care, they just want to destroy him, because they hate him, and because he COULD MAYBE become a dictator.
- The assassins lure Caesar to the Senate with some frank bullshite, kill him.
- Brutus continues to try and rationalize his actions. Then Marc Anthony steps in, and points out that Caesar dindu nuffin, never hurt no body, and was bout to turn his life around. The crowd realizes it was basically a political assassination wrapped in pretty words, and fricking goes on a rampage.
- Brutus and the rest of the conspirators die.
Not exactly a ringing endorsement of assassination.
Posted on 6/12/17 at 9:20 pm to cokebottleag
Well Trump is having to deal with a wide array of backstabbing self-serving assholes in the Senate, so there's that.
Posted on 6/13/17 at 10:01 am to cokebottleag
quote:
Brutus and the rest of the conspirators die.
Not exactly a ringing endorsement of assassination
While it may not be a "ringing endorsement" of assassination, the play doesn't focus on "shite going bad" for Romans as a result. The bottom line is that at the end of the play the guy who stabbed Donald Trump to death is lauded as the noblest citizen of all and given a state funeral.
Posted on 6/13/17 at 10:11 am to BamaGradinTn
The Public Theatre and its production crew have a legitimate rationalization regarding the play's content - Shakespeare created nothing if not complex and nuanced stories...
HOWEVER: the depiction of Trump as Caesar to be assassinated in this production is so obviously catering to the blood lust of the Far Left as to be laughable. Any denial of the thinly veiled dream of these nut jobs is disingenuous, at best...and treason, at worst.
HOWEVER: the depiction of Trump as Caesar to be assassinated in this production is so obviously catering to the blood lust of the Far Left as to be laughable. Any denial of the thinly veiled dream of these nut jobs is disingenuous, at best...and treason, at worst.
Posted on 6/13/17 at 10:15 am to Knight of Old
quote:
and treason
It is Treason in my thinking
Posted on 6/13/17 at 10:50 am to BamaGradinTn
The worst defense was by DeBlassio. He said we go down a slippery slope when we try to restrict artistic freedom. By that logic putting on a play about lynching Obama from a tree would be OK with DeBlassio.
Posted on 6/13/17 at 3:57 pm to BamaGradinTn
Shakespeare intentionally left it to the determination of the audience whether they should sympathize with Brutus or not. By casting Caesar as Trump, they take that ambiguity away from the audience. The audience goes into the play with an assumption of the merit of Caesar (either positive or negative) that Shakespeare didn't intend. The same is true about the case when a Minnesota theater cast Caesar as Obama.
There is a reason Shakespeare didn't write about his contemporary politicians. Doing so would obscure the meaning of his plays.
There is a reason Shakespeare didn't write about his contemporary politicians. Doing so would obscure the meaning of his plays.
This post was edited on 6/13/17 at 3:58 pm
Posted on 6/13/17 at 4:00 pm to Thorny
quote:
There is a reason Shakespeare didn't write about his contemporary politicians. Doing so would obscure the meaning of his plays.
Not to mention his likely preference to not spend the rest of his life in the Tower.
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