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re: The Anti-Science Advocates have won: Measles Outbreak in NYC
Posted on 3/17/14 at 10:55 am to Scruffy
Posted on 3/17/14 at 10:55 am to Scruffy
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As a future pediatrician (hopefully), there are few things that truly infuriate me more than those who put their children at risk like that.
Let me ask you this. We selectively don't immunize. For example, we decline the chicken pox vaccine. We will not go with the HPV vaccine when my daughters are older. We also avoid any vaccine with the WI-38 or MRC-5 developmental lines.
Does that infuriate you as well?
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Posted on 3/17/14 at 10:58 am to ZZTIGERS
quote:Referencing the flu shot for example or expanded timehorizons, it certainly could be a questionable assumption.
Also, assuming vaccinations work
Assuming?
Posted on 3/17/14 at 11:06 am to Mid Iowa Tiger
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Let me ask you this. We selectively don't immunize. For example, we decline the chicken pox vaccine
Dr. Sears has some good insight on the chicken pox vaccine and basically his recommendation is whether or not you as a parent want to deal with a cranky kid that has the chicken pox for a week because the kid will be fine once the virus runs its course. Chicken Pox vaccine side effects, though rare, are way more scary then if you kid actually gets the virus.
This post was edited on 3/17/14 at 11:06 am
Posted on 3/17/14 at 11:09 am to NC_Tigah
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Also, assuming vaccinations work
Assuming?
Referencing the flu shot for example or expanded timehorizons, it certainly could be a questionable assumption.
There actually is a debate in the medical community in regards to the new Pertussis vaccine in particular. The old Pertussis vaccine was really effective, but its bad side effects were more common and some of them were bad news. The new vaccine is pretty void of any side effects, but its effectiveness is pretty questionable (many infected by recent Pertussis outbreaks were fully vaccinated).
Posted on 3/17/14 at 11:14 am to TunaTigers
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Show me the incidence of measles not the death rate when looking at vaccinations.
The death rate is a factor, but keeping people from getting sick is important too.
If you can prevent people from getting the measles you should as long as the vaccine is safe.
Posted on 3/17/14 at 11:16 am to STEVED00
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Chicken Pox vaccine side effects, though rare, are way more scary then if you kid actually gets the virus.
We had one of our children run into some of those side effects - that is when we decided to do our own research and decide which vaccines to accept and which not to.
Remember, drug companies are not non-profits, they make vaccines for a reason and in reality public health is not nearly as high on the list as you would want to think.
Posted on 3/17/14 at 11:21 am to Mid Iowa Tiger
I don't believe the varicella vaccine is essential until people get up in age. I received the vaccine in my teens because I never did contract chicken pox.
Posted on 3/17/14 at 11:22 am to ZZTIGERS
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the MMR vaccine is generally given around 12-15 months.
Is it parents or doctors risking the lives of children during the time between birth and 12-15 months?
Posted on 3/17/14 at 11:25 am to olgoi khorkhoi
quote:Its the infant's immune system.
Is it parents or doctors risking the lives of children during the time between birth and 12-15 months?
It is not given before 12 months because the infant retains antibodies that it received from its mother and the response to the vaccine isn't sufficient.
This post was edited on 3/17/14 at 11:26 am
Posted on 3/17/14 at 11:29 am to Scruffy
so are infants < 15 months at risk of contracting measles?
Posted on 3/17/14 at 11:32 am to olgoi khorkhoi
quote:Sure, but they receive some passive immunity from the mother. Not all immunity is perfect though. There also is a reduced response to vaccination before the maternal antibodies are cleared.
Posted by olgoi khorkhoi so are infants < 15 months at risk of contracting measles?
Once the maternal antibodies are cleared, the infant no longer has any protection, thus the need for vaccination.
This post was edited on 3/17/14 at 11:34 am
Posted on 3/17/14 at 11:38 am to olgoi khorkhoi
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how many of the kids with measles were vaccinated and how many weren't? Also, assuming vaccinations work, why worry about this unless you're not vaccinated (in which case, you're clearly already not worried)?
Sounds like someone knows absolutely nothing about vaccines and would be better off not putting his ignorance on full display within this thread.
Posted on 3/17/14 at 11:48 am to The Easter Bunny
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Killing yourself vs. killing your child
Raising your child obese is as bad as not having them vaccinated if not worse.
Posted on 3/17/14 at 11:49 am to Upperaltiger06
quote:I can agree with that.
Raising your child obese is as bad as not having them vaccinated if not worse.
Posted on 3/17/14 at 12:02 pm to Scruffy
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the number of people not vaccinating their children is growing.
I do not know the full set of statistics about any decline in vaccinations but here is a little anecdote.
Twenty-four years my younger sister got a bad case of the measles. None of the docs she saw in the DFW area could figure out what she had. We flew her home and my Uncle, a general practice physician knew it was the measles as soon as he saw her. The hospital (OLOL) let us go in to visit her (wearing masks of course) and we all got the measles as well. I missed 3 weeks of school during my final semester at LSU.
My point is that she had been vaccinated (we all had been vaccinated) but still ended up with the measles. I think that a stronger strain has developed and we will have to change the vaccine to compensate.
This post was edited on 3/17/14 at 12:10 pm
Posted on 3/17/14 at 12:18 pm to Scruffy
quote:If the vaccine truly prevents the disease the why are we seeing "outbreaks"? If the outbreaks are among people who are not vaccinated then what is the issue?
Would you rather prevent the disease or treat it?
Posted on 3/17/14 at 12:22 pm to Scruffy
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Sure, but they receive some passive immunity from the mother. Not all immunity is perfect though. There also is a reduced response to vaccination before the maternal antibodies are cleared. Once the maternal antibodies are cleared, the infant no longer has any protection, thus the need for vaccination.
Interesting. How long is a vaccination effective?
Posted on 3/17/14 at 12:22 pm to LSUnKaty
quote:Herd immunity. Vaccinations aren't perfect. The more people vaccinated, the less likely someone who did not generate a sufficient immune response will interact with a non immunized individual.
If the vaccine truly prevents the disease the why are we seeing "outbreaks"? If the outbreaks are among people who are not vaccinated then what is the issue?
Posted on 3/17/14 at 12:23 pm to Paluka
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My point is that she had been vaccinated (we all had been vaccinated) but still ended up with the measles. I think that a stronger strain has developed and we will have to change the vaccine to compensate.
I had the measles as a child and as an adult and I was vaccinated.
Posted on 3/17/14 at 12:23 pm to onmymedicalgrind
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Sounds like someone knows absolutely nothing about vaccines and would be better off not putting his ignorance on full display within this thread.
Is that what it sounds like?
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